Just a few years ago some of the more popular songs of trance used a faster beats per minute than what were hearing today. The question came up though as to who popularized this progressive style and brought it to the forefront: -specific questions-(
1.Who actually began this style though and,
2.Who brought it out and made it popular?)

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Armin Van buuren state of trance 2005
Markus Schulz with his Miami 05

Like with most things in music it is something that evolved rather started at one specific point. However i would say Markus Schulz, with the GDJB from 2003 and on, is largely responsible for the popularization of the style.

Last edited by SMC on Feb-12-2007 at 16:51

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Originally posted by Angel Just a few years ago some of the more popular songs of trance used a faster beats per minute than what were hearing today. The question came up though as to who popularized this progressive style and brought it to the forefront: -specific questions-( 1.Who actually began this style though and, 2.Who brought it out and made it popular?) suggestions: Armin Van buuren state of trance 2005 Markus Schulz with his Miami 05

uh Markus Schulz...as far as the slower style that is often called on this forum "McProg", but really it's a slowed down epic trance...a mixture of epic and progressive trance. Some call it "twinkle prog", but there are better "twinkle prog" producers out there than what Markus Schulz tends to play and produce, like Jay Lumen, Snake Sedrick, Benz & MD (he does play some of their tracks) and others, although I do like some of the producers and productions Markus plays.

Last edited by Spirit5 on Feb-12-2007 at 20:26

for controversy's sake it would be far more veracious if you replaced 'progressive' with 'slow'

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Originally posted by isoterra for controversy's sake it would be far more veracious if you replaced 'progressive' with 'slow'

The problem is that when the same type of music is called "progressive" for too long the word loses it's significance in the context.

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Originally posted by SMC The problem is that when the same type of music is called "progressive" for too long the word loses it's significance in the context.

exactly, of all the subgenre names out there it's by far the silliest & least relevant by today's standards

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Originally posted by isoterra exactly, of all the subgenre names out there it's by far the silliest & least relevant by today's standards

I would have to agree here. Progressive gets tagged along side A LOT of tracks these days that are posted on here.

Tiesto in 2002 started to play some tunes that could sort of be classified as progressive but certainely not the stuff that the true Prog jocks were playing.

Lemon 8 - New York, New York
King Unique - Sugar High
Sapphire Cut - Free Your Mind
Arcane - Somewhere (Dave Swayze Remix)
Chris Lake - Santiago de Cuba
James Holden - Nothing (93 Returning Mix)
Barraka - Song To The Siren (Jean Philippe Dirty South Mix)

If your talking about the twinkle prog, Spirit is right, Mr. Schulz was the first then Armin jumped on board quick after.

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Originally posted by SMC The problem is that when the same type of music is called "progressive" for too long the word loses it's significance in the context.

Depends how you define it. Progressive can mean something new and innovative, or it can just refer to a certain approach to structure and composition that differs from the pop music model. Sort of like how we still use the term 'progressive rock' even though it's four decades old.

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Originally posted by Project-K Depends how you define it. Progressive can mean something new and innovative, or it can just refer to a certain approach to structure and composition that differs from the pop music model. Sort of like how we still use the term 'progressive rock' even though it's four decades old.

I know. "Progressive" has mainly come to mean the latter, that's why the word is still used so much. However, there is still new music being put out that in part is new and innovative and keeps the progress alive within the progressive genre. Even within progressive rock there is a lot of different sounding music and even the "main" sound within the genre has changed over the years. During the 70s for example there was a certain set of sounds with a lot of different sounding bands all making their unique contribution to genre. Today there are new bands that probably sound different from each other but they don't sound like the bands of the 70s.

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Originally posted by SMC Like with most things in music it is something that evolved rather started at one specific point. However i would say Markus Schulz, with the GDJB from 2003 and on, is largely responsible for the popularization of the style.

I agree. He seems to have more or less been pioneering the "modern" style of trance that we're hearing today.

Yeah it might be misleading to call the style "progressive" but it's definitely not the same as epic trance, other than breakdowns and melodies (both are in a lot of music, just some longer, more over-done or drawn-out than others). He does play techier or more electro-infused music as well. If you listen to his new Ibiza 2006 CD, you can hear his sound being more "progressive" and deeper or tougher. There's still the few tracks with "twinkly" melodies, but he is definitely more of a progressive trance DJ than Armin is. I definitely wouldn't consider Markus an epic trance DJ. But he's not quite as "progressive" as DJs like Snake Sedrick, who to me produces and plays better music IMO. Of anything, these DJs (like Snake Sedrick) would play and produce "melodic progressive house" music, if you had to catagorize it, although he also play some electro-house and breaks as well (you can hear his DJ sets on Proton Radio). Markus definitely leans more on the trance side of things, but with a more "progressive" sound (and I put it in quotes for a reason).

Last edited by Spirit5 on Feb-13-2007 at 04:49

i think AvB and Markuz was the beginners .
And the main point at the both producers is that they try to play both styles , i mean uplifting trance and prog. .