It's extremely odd behaviour, even for things like great big idiotic governments which kind of lose the plot the further away from the coal face they are and really, what is the point when?

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U.S. Customs and Border Protection announced last week it will stop drivers at a series of random checkpoints on the Olympic Peninsula in the coming months.

"Gee, if I'm going to blow up America, maybe there might be a bad place to start. So, we'll come in somewhere else anyhow."

Reality is, pants are down for another ass kicking the same way it was pre 9-11, if they want to get in, they'll get in. It's the preventative intelligence that catches them, not internal security actions which are more or less a foregone conclusion, they ship a bunch of Mexicans into the country by the truckload, shipping some lunatic extremist in by themselves can't be that hard.
They aren't stupid, they're well connected and they will get in or be a part of some internal plot, but hey, electing someone with the brain of a rich, spoilt coke head a couple of times in a row will get you this kind of thing (course the last election was somewhat debatable I must admit! ) if you let it happen.

What's wrong with just saying, "we're off to catch us some Mexicans and the odd alcoholic Canadian student on summer vacation" and be done with it?
Rather than the old "Oh we're hunting terrorists" and then having everyone running around paranoid, stressed and otherwise with one more worry on their heads in day to day life. I mean I'm sure your spanish speaking cousins that slip over the boarder, make a few $ and get busted can take the joke, they don't really think you're being politically incorrect by deliberately going after them!

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100 miles within any border eh? Why don't they block off a street in an affluent part of San Diego and question blue bloods?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

I would have to think for that kind of behavior something big must have gone down in that sleepy little town...

Strange indeed...

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... and you guys are all so surprised? This is not the first, nor the second and not the third time I read about this. They did this even in the Clinton years. American democracy slip-sliding away.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium ... and you guys are all so surprised? This is not the first, nor the second and not the third time I read about this. They did this even in the Clinton years. American democracy slip-sliding away.

So I guess it was a lot stronger during McCarthyism? Why do you pretend to know anything? If you want a liberal nation, look to The Netherlands. America is what it is, always has been. Republicans come into power on fear campaigning, ruin economy, Democrats come in, rebuild country while skimming on military, Republicans win back the country campaigning on military skimming, and so on. One half of the country will always balance the other out, and from the current surveys on todays youth, the Democrat base is growing.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

this is new? in march 2005 i remember being stopped about 40 kms or so inside the state of New York by a checkpoint...

It reminded of how retarded syria is ...

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there are checkpoints in every major city in the U.S.

...they're called airports.

Not the 1st or 2nd times............

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In NY./Region City Police Spied Broadly Before G.O.P. Convention By JIM DWYER Published: March 25, 2007 Correction Appended For at least a year before the 2004 Republican National Convention, teams of undercover New York City police officers traveled to cities across the country, Canada and Europe to conduct covert observations of people who planned to protest at the convention, according to police records and interviews. From Albuquerque to Montreal, San Francisco to Miami, undercover New York police officers attended meetings of political groups, posing as sympathizers or fellow activists, the records show. They made friends, shared meals, swapped e-mail messages and then filed daily reports with the department’s Intelligence Division. Other investigators mined Internet sites and chat rooms. From these operations, run by the department’s “R.N.C. Intelligence Squad,” the police identified a handful of groups and individuals who expressed interest in creating havoc during the convention, as well as some who used Web sites to urge or predict violence. But potential troublemakers were hardly the only ones to end up in the files. In hundreds of reports stamped “N.Y.P.D. Secret,” the Intelligence Division chronicled the views and plans of people who had no apparent intention of breaking the law, the records show. These included members of street theater companies, church groups and antiwar organizations, as well as environmentalists and people opposed to the death penalty, globalization and other government policies. Three New York City elected officials were cited in the reports. In at least some cases, intelligence on what appeared to be lawful activity was shared with police departments in other cities. A police report on an organization of artists called Bands Against Bush noted that the group was planning concerts on Oct. 11, 2003, in New York, Washington, Seattle, San Francisco and Boston. Between musical sets, the report said, there would be political speeches and videos. “Activists are showing a well-organized network made up of anti-Bush sentiment; the mixing of music and political rhetoric indicates sophisticated organizing skills with a specific agenda,” said the report, dated Oct. 9, 2003. “Police departments in above listed areas have been contacted regarding this event.” Police records indicate that in addition to sharing information with other police departments, New York undercover officers were active themselves in at least 15 places outside New York — including California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montreal, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas and Washington, D.C. — and in Europe. The operation was mounted in 2003 after the Police Department, invoking the fresh horrors of the World Trade Center attack and the prospect of future terrorism, won greater authority from a federal judge to investigate political organizations for criminal activity. To date, as the boundaries of the department’s expanded powers continue to be debated, police officials have provided only glimpses of its intelligence-gathering. Now, the broad outlines of the pre-convention operations are emerging from records in federal lawsuits that were brought over mass arrests made during the convention, and in greater detail from still-secret reports reviewed by The New York Times. These include a sample of raw intelligence documents and of summary digests of observations from both the field and the department’s cyberintelligence unit. Paul J. Browne, the chief spokesman for the Police Department, confirmed that the operation had been wide-ranging, and said it had been an essential part of the preparations for the huge crowds that came to the city during the convention. “Detectives collected information both in-state and out-of-state to learn in advance what was coming our way,” Mr. Browne said. When the detectives went out of town, he said, the department usually alerted the local authorities by telephone or in person. Under a United States Supreme Court ruling, undercover surveillance of political groups generally legal, but the police in New York — like those in many other big cities — have operated under special limits as a result of class-action lawsuits filed over police monitoring of civil rights and antiwar groups during the 1960s. The limits in New York are known as the Handschu guidelines, after the lead plaintiff, Barbara Handschu. “All our activities were legal and were subject in advance to Handschu review,” Mr. Browne said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/n...infiltrate.html
the article has three pages

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Originally posted by M.Johan Not the 1st or 2nd times............

when do you rekon the first time was? was it when JFK and his brother, Attorney General, RFK wiretapped Martin Luther King and other political activists in the 60's? or was it Abe Lincoln and the new Confederate Armies way back in the day?

either way it would prolly warrant it's own thread.

Just move to Canada and breathe easy.

I think its happening in the pacific northwest because of dark angel.