I agree with the article, but at the same time I think it's also fine to generalize "terrorists" to other groups of people, not just to Muslim extremist groups (Helloooooooo Southpark Season 11 Episode 4. Watch it on www.allabout-sp.net) However I am perfectly comfortable saying that some Muslims might be terrorists.

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Quote the article "How long before we mimic the British schools, where the Holocaust is being dropped from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils?"

Is this lady for real? They are dropping the holocaust because the Muslims have too much sand in their murka durkas?

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Is this lady for real? They are dropping the holocaust because the Muslims have too much sand in their murka durkas?

It was apparently in a 'report' funded by the UK department of education stating that some teachers where finding it hard to teach their students about things like crusades and holocausts because it was contentious issue.

Now, there's a lot of people reporting on it in newspapers and the like, but as for the actual full report, I've no idea where you might find it and like most things in any foreign country you can to some degree palm it off to the locals as being just that. They used a very clever play on words there to make you think that they don't teach it.

Its fine with me to suggest some are.. I mean who else are terrorists ?

the point is that INDIVIDUALS are terrorists, not their religious, or social persuasions! I think that's the thing that most people seem to misunderstand in their love of generalisation--

there are a LOT of muslims: it makes sens that some are terrorists because of the sheer volume of the community... that's all--

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Originally posted by EgosXII the point is that INDIVIDUALS are terrorists, not their religious, or social persuasions! I think that's the thing that most people seem to misunderstand in their love of generalisation--

There's also the counter point that most terrorists have recently fallen under the Muslim/Islam category. So there's a logical basis that contributes to (though doesn't necessarily justify) discrimination.

I'll put both our points into logic form:

Most terrorists are Muslim.
Most Muslims are not terrorists.


It's the same thing as saying:

Most KKK members are white people.
Most white people are not KKK members.

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I think that's a very good way to put it, summarizing both our points succinctly

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Originally posted by Jake Benson There's also the counter point that most terrorists have recently fallen under the Muslim/Islam category. So there's a logical basis that contributes to (though doesn't necessarily justify) discrimination. I'll put both our points into logic form: Most terrorists are Muslim. Most Muslims are not terrorists. It's the same thing as saying: Most KKK members are white people. Most white people are not KKK members.

Well, the only problem with that is that most terrorists are intelligence agency operatives and/or member of organizations funded, trained, and set up by them, who could belong to any ethnic/religious group. Most acts of terrorism are carried out by the state, eigther as false flag operations or covert operations. And I can't think of a single KKK member who wasn't white, kinda hard to join if you're not.

Q.E.D

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, the only problem with that is that most terrorists are intelligence agency operatives and/or member of organizations funded, trained, and set up by them, who could belong to any ethnic/religious group.

This is true, as shown in a recent Southpark episode.

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Most acts of terrorism are carried out by the state, eigther as false flag operations or covert operations.

Oh well now that you are broadening the definition of "terrorism" of course it no longer means mostly Muslims.

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And I can't think of a single KKK member who wasn't white, kinda hard to join if you're not.

It was just a comparison, but apparently not an accurate example. Here's a better one: Most Israelis are Jews. Most Jews are not Israeli.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson This is true, as should in a recent Southpark episode.

Southpark isn't the best place to take your cues on history or politics from, try declassified documents instead.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Oh well now that you are broadening the definition of "terrorism" of course it no longer means mostly Muslims.

I'm actually not "broadening the definition" of "terrorism" here, it's been consciously narrowed down after 9-11 as to restrict it's usage and application because the very people (i.e. politician etc) supposedly "waging a war on terrorism," a ludicrous concept to begin with, fall under that category as well (i.e. terrorists).

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Originally posted by Jake Benson It was just a comparison, but apparently not an accurate example. Here's a better one: Most Israelis are Jews. Most Jews are not Israeli.

Yeah, that's a better analogy.





I understood the point you were trying to make, no need to get defensive man.

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Yeah, because I know that Muskegon County, Michigan would be pretty high on my list of targets if I were an Islamic terrorist...

Let's cut the bullshit, Laz: who threatens the freedoms of Americans more? The 82% of Americans who identify as Christian or the 1% who identify as Muslim?

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Originally posted by LazFX the Christians do not burn, kill or attack people in the streets just because some focking moran drew a cartoon of Jesus fucking the pope in the rear .....

You must have missed the chocolate Jesus death-threat scandal. I'm also hoping that your use of the word "moran" was somehow deliberate on an ironic level that I am clearly far too drunk to detect right now.

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I think it is clear that this topic is focused on non-state actors. That being the case, most terrorists are Muslims, and I feel perfectly okay making that generalization.

Although, I hope some ignorant redneck doesn't go on a hit-and-run spree in his pick-up to target pregnant Muslim women in Alabama.