I've never spun on those cd turtables (the Pionner) but it's the standard now everywhere.

Do they make beat matching easier? I know it's mainly skills and practice but I'm wondering if the technology on those things makes it more acurate.

its easier if u think cd decks dont have wow and flutter so hold their pitch better ive noticed it does seem a little easier u do much less correcting. but to actually beatmatch i dont think it makes any difference what type of deck u use its the same difficulty its pretty easy anyway.

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since the cdjs show you the percentage pitch adjustment on the display

figure out the bpms of your tracks

then do some simple mental math

you're already beatmatched


the difference between 125 and 126 bpm is like .8%


simple

DJing by maths is a terrible idea.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN DJing by maths is a terrible idea.

Especially considering that the majority of tunes aren't exactly at X# BPM, but rather at X.Y, or even X.YZ BPM.

Bottom line: Use your ears and learn how to work mixes with some versatility, shortcuts rarely work.

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Originally posted by RJT Especially considering that the majority of tunes aren't exactly at X# BPM, but rather at X.Y, or even X.YZ BPM.

Not Really I use to think like that, but I've noticed that the majority of tunes are at X# BPM.

Still, it's just better to use your ears.

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Originally posted by Pinokio Not Really I use to think like that, but I've noticed that the majority of tunes are at X# BPM.

Not really, if you want to be accurate about it I'll bet there aren't really any tracks at X BPM (sans the .xx).

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Originally posted by RJT Not really, if you want to be accurate about it I'll bet there aren't really any tracks at X BPM (sans the .xx).

I started mixing with Traktor DJ Studio, and often when analyzing the BPM of a song, it would give you X.YZ BPM (eg. 128.36 BPM), I though songs were made like that. Later I started using Mixmeister to calculate the BPM of songs, and 99% of the songs were given results as X BPM (eg. 128.0 BPM).
By own experience, if mixmeister tells you that 2 songs are at the same BPM they will stay in time together.
Mixed in Key is also bad for calculating BPM, because it will often give you X.YZ BPM, and most of the time it's wrong.
I guess that's one of the reasons people get confused about this.

I think when making a song, 99% of producers decide to make songs at X BPM rather than X.YZ BPM.

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Originally posted by RJT Not really, if you want to be accurate about it I'll bet there aren't really any tracks at X BPM (sans the .xx).

I'm totally against beatmatching by math, but in my experience nearly all tracks are recorded at a whole-number BPM. (Why the hell would someone produce a track and export it at some random decimal-number BPM?) When I map the beats of the tracks I have in Ableton, they are almost always at exactly at a whole number BPM.

Now, if you're using vinyl, that's less true. And if you're using illegally downloaded tracks (which i REALLY hope you're not), they are usually vinyl rips and don't maintain the original BPM as well.

Again, i'm not encouraging beatmatching by math b/c you wouldn't want to be dependent on that, but I am validating the X BPM argument.

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I think people are over analyzing things here a bit. Of course it's going to be easier on 1000s vs TTs or cheaper cd decks. By nature they're more precise. Doesn't make you any more or less of a DJ.

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i have shitty stanton 303's

when i pitch a record and its going faster ... i pitch it down just one knotch (highest resolution possible) and it goes too slow then.

my pitch sucks OMG

i gotta pitch bend alot

prolly off topic but o well

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Originally posted by DJChrisB I'm totally against beatmatching by math, but in my experience nearly all tracks are recorded at a whole-number BPM. (Why the hell would someone produce a track and export it at some random decimal-number BPM?) When I map the beats of the tracks I have in Ableton, they are almost always at exactly at a whole number BPM. Again, i'm not encouraging beatmatching by math b/c you wouldn't want to be dependent on that, but I am validating the X BPM argument.

People seem to fail to remember that not everyone uses a computer to make their music.

And MixMeister's BPM detecter is notorious for being off by relatively small increments - you can even notice mixes drift in the program.

While my earlier assertion that there aren't many tunes that are at X BPM is more than likely not apt, if you really want to do the test, take two copies of exactly the same record, beatmatch them on two CDJ's, and let them run seeing how long they stay in time.

If you have to make any corrections at all throughout the duration of the track, it's not at X BPM.

/nitpicking.

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