The deal guarantees India fuel supplies, if the fuel supply from the US is for any reason cut off in future - possibly because of an Indian test - US would help find third countries to supply India.

It allows India to reprocess/enrich spent fuel as many times as it wants. India is not required to stop producing weapons grade fissile material by the agreement.

The Agreement completely ignores military aspects of such program, in the Agreement its mentioned that UN has access to 'Civilian' Nuclear sites and power plants, India has entirely separate complex for Defense Nuclear Research.. big remote Labs and Plants complex which are tagged 'Defense Nuclear Sites' and these sites neither US nor UN has access to as per the agreement.

The right to stockpile fuel and the right to reprocess fuel is a key step towards developing nuclear weapons. India will now have more Nuclear Bombs than Pakistan will ever have and yes India wants at least half of what China has.

India has a few Atomic and Hydrogen nukes already and also has has an extensive ongoing missile building program which makes huge spaceship sized missiles tailor made to support nuclear warheads and can fly across continents.

India never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.


http://www.cfr.org/publication/9663/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...7072500393.html

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Last edited by Purple on Aug-07-2007 at 00:56

this is how the game is played.

no matter where you are on he Pakistan/India situation or Sino/Indian relations...regardless of how most of you feel about America, we do this better than anyone in the world.

Oh the hypocrisy.

Iam assuming everyone is ok with India making advance nuclear weapons?seriously hearing shit like this angers me alot.It is sad and pathatic seeing how the U.S decides who can or cannot have such weapons.

It is funny how they are busting their balls trying to disarm NK and then go and give unlimited fuel supply.I bet you all that this will come and bite them in the ass in the near future.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Oh the hypocrisy. Iam assuming everyone is ok with India making advance nuclear weapons?seriously hearing shit like this angers me alot.It is sad and pathatic seeing how the U.S decides who can or cannot have such weapons. It is funny how they are busting their balls trying to disarm NK and then go and give unlimited fuel supply.I bet you all that this will come and bite them in the ass in the near future.

myopic.

India isn't ruled by psycho dictator who'd actually use a nuke if he felt that he was about to get an ass kicking

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer It is funny how they are busting their balls trying to disarm NK and then go and give unlimited fuel supply.I bet you all that this will come and bite them in the ass in the near future.

It's already started to come back. I'm sure the recent problems with Pakistan have something to do with the Nuclear deal.

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Originally posted by atbell It's already started to come back. I'm sure the recent problems with Pakistan have something to do with the Nuclear deal.

this deal was initiated two years ago.

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Originally posted by EvilTree India isn't ruled by psycho dictator who'd actually use a nuke if he felt that he was about to get an ass kicking

and that makes it ok for them to have such advanced weapons? and dont tell me they need this for the purpose of self defence,because then I argue and say Iran should have them for the exact same reason.

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My question for those of you who support this action by the U.S is how in the hell is doing something like this could ever stabilize the region?if anything it will create more fear in the surrounding countries.I just cant think of a logical reason for this at all.

Also Why isnt the U.N. all over this?where is the media coverage? just imagine if lets say Russia did a similar deal with Iran,hell would brake loose.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer My question for those of you who support this action by the U.S is how in the hell is doing something like this could ever stabilize the region?

a. because India would have to get the technology from someone else.
b. without this agreement there would be ZERO transparency.
c. having better cooperation and understanding between Non-Proliferation Treaty countries and India can eventually bring India into the non-proliferation fold or if anything keep them peaceful.

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Also Why isnt the U.N. all over this?

a. the UN can't be depended on to initiate or enforce anything of substance, really.
b. you obviously didn't read the conditions of the deal.

*India agrees to allow inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Association (IAEA), the United Nations' nuclear watchdog group, access to its civilian nuclear program. But India would decide which of its many nuclear facilities to classify as civilian. Teresita Schaffer, director of the South Asia program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, says these will now include domestically built plants, which India has not been willing to safeguard before now. Military facilities—and stockpiles of nuclear fuel that India has produced up to now—will be exempt from inspections or safeguards.

*India commits to signing an Additional Protocol (PDF)—which allows more intrusive IAEA inspections—or its civilian facilities.

*India agrees to continue its moratorium on nuclear weapons testing.

*India commits to strengthening the security of its nuclear arsenals.

*India works toward negotiating a Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty (FMCT) with the United States banning the production of fissile material for weapons purposes.

*India agrees to prevent the spread of enrichment and reprocessing technologies to states that don't possess them and to support international nonproliferation efforts.

*U.S. companies will be allowed to build nuclear reactors in India and provide nuclear fuel for its civilian energy program.


the deal brings the full power and support of the UN's IAEA inspections to civilian facilities of India's choosing with consessions of more openess in the future.

the military instalations are another story that probably involve Indian security issues. but this is a start.

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just imagine if lets say Russia did a similar deal with Iran,hell would brake loose.

Russia has. thats not even news anymore.

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Originally posted by EvilTree India isn't ruled by psycho dictator who'd actually use a nuke if he felt that he was about to get an ass kicking

India - South Asia
Brazil - South America
Iran - Middle East

All these three countries more or less share same position in their subcontinent.. they all are democratic nations and have certain influence on their neighbors and subcontinent.

This agreement will immediately shift power equations and give India an upper edge in the Asian Subcontinent.

Why will Brazil, Argentina, Iran etc wouldn't want to duplicate it in their own sub-continent and have that same upper edge? If US is supplying India, Iran should get its supplies from China and Russia should help Brazil. Soon you will see India helping its friends. Everyone makes money!

This present private club agreement will 100% trigger an arms race on global scale and not just among India-Pakistan.

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Originally posted by Purple India - South Asia Brazil - South America Iran - Middle East All these three countries more or less share same position in their subcontinent.. they all are democratic nations and have certain influence on their neighbors and subcontinent. This agreement will immediately shift power equations and give India an upper edge in the Asian Subcontinent. Why will Brazil, Argentina, Iran etc wouldn't want to duplicate it in their own sub-continent and have that same upper edge? If US is supplying India, Iran should get its supplies from China and Russia should help Brazil. Soon you will see India helping its friends. Everyone makes money! This present private club agreement will 100% trigger an arms race on global scale and not just among India-Pakistan.

India has always had the upper hand. more so in the last 20 years militarily and economically than anyone on your "subcontinent".

your country has been the only ones to have nukes on your "subcontinent" since 1974. what has changed since? nothing really except Pakistan.

Pakistan obtained theirs illegally from another non NPT country. all the other countries are NPT countries.

you're not making sense.

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