yaaa I say give them even more millitary power,it is not like they have a shit load of weapons already.

I mean after all Israel has to protect itself from those evil terrorists somehow right?

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i dont have a problem with the aid as long as it comes with pressure to refrain from actions like we saw in lebanon. really, the US should use this kind of measure to prevent all kinds of things. like the wall that's being built for instance.

free, "no-strings" aid to israel isn't something i agree with.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer yaaa I say give them even more millitary power,it is not like they have a shit load of weapons already. I mean after all Israel has to protect itself from those evil terrorists somehow right?

Yep.

If I was surrounded by my enemies, I'de sure as hell make sure I was protected. It's a natural reaction. Do you actually think Israel will let anyone walk all over them? As the 4 wars against Israel has shown, they still believe themselves to be threatened by numerous enemies.

I find it unfortunate that to forge the nation of Israel, millions of Palestineans would have to give up their land. Then again, the land known as Israel, Palestine, Canaan, whatever has been fought over ever since recorded history began to write about it. It's insane.

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Is this supposed to be a surprise or something? The US has alwayds been subservient to the Zionist state of Israel, it's to be expected. An overwhelming majority of the NeoCons and it's prominent member are Zionists anywas, what the fuck do you expect lol.

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Originally posted by Krypton Yep. If I was surrounded by my enemies, I'de sure as hell make sure I was protected. It's a natural reaction. Do you actually think Israel will let anyone walk all over them? As the 4 wars against Israel has shown, they still believe themselves to be threatened by numerous enemies.

Then why is it hard for you and others like yourself to uderstand when it comes to lets say Iran wanting to protect itself from its enemies? What makes Israel so precious that the U.S needs to spend billions of your money to them? to me this so so called "aid" is part of a bigger agenda,more like an offensive one then anything else.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Then why is it hard for you and others like yourself to uderstand when it comes to lets say Iran wanting to protect itself from its enemies? What makes Israel so precious that the U.S needs to spend billions of your money to them? to me this so so called "aid" is part of a bigger agenda,more like an offensive one then anything else.

Plus Uno! The euphemistic and dishonest language in political discourse is quite disgusting and hypocritical.

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Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Then why is it hard for you and others like yourself to uderstand when it comes to lets say Iran wanting to protect itself from its enemies? What makes Israel so precious that the U.S needs to spend billions of your money to them? to me this so so called "aid" is part of a bigger agenda,more like an offensive one then anything else.

The US has allies and enemies. If the US were some impartial entity, then that would be different. But, the US has its own interests in mind, just as it should.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail The US has allies and enemies. If the US were some impartial entity, then that would be different. But, the US has its own interests in mind, just as it should.

And how the fuck does our irrational support for Israel factor in to our national interests? That's the most fucking retarded statement I've read here in a while. Israel is a fucking leach sucking us dry and driving our foreighn policy through AIPAC, the Israeli lobby, and the Zionist dominated NeoCons, or the "crazies" as Ray McGovern and old school intelligence veterans used to call 'em.

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Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
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God said so

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Originally posted by Sunsnail God said so

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Then why is it hard for you and others like yourself to uderstand when it comes to lets say Iran wanting to protect itself from its enemies? What makes Israel so precious that the U.S needs to spend billions of your money to them? to me this so so called "aid" is part of a bigger agenda,more like an offensive one then anything else.

Until Admadinijad and Bush are out of office, negociation will be extremely difficult with Iran and will continue to be stalled. Israel has been attacked or was going to be attacked by at least 5 of its neighbors at least 4 different times its first 60 years of existance. For the last 30 years, Israel has been continuously attacked by rockets, suicide bombers, and gunmen. Does Iran have such a problem? I don't think so.

I think the theocratic mullah system of government in Iran is a bloated corpse of itself, totally outdated with the times, in a country in which the average Iranian has no memory of the revelution, let alone the Iran-Iraq war. The ayatollahs are losing their grip a people who want their basic human rights. Therefore, the ayatollahs have to do something to maintain their power. Or else the government would be a secular government like its neighbors.

So what does a theocratic leadership do to maintain their power on a people increasing not caring about revolution and strict theocratic rule? They create an external enemy to distract the people from the truth. That their own government is true problem. They go to war. Iranians are constantly reminded of the 'Zionist' threat, and of satanic america there to destroy islam. Propaganda is everywhere, on STATE-RUN media, in their mosques, by their president, and by the Grand Council of ayatollahs in their decrees.

Meanwhile, while the Iranian president tries to rile up the world over a secretive nuclear program, inflation remains at 15.8%. Unemployment is at 15% according to the Iranian government's own stats. 40% of the population lives below the poverty line! These are huge catalysts for anger, and reform. But the Old Guard will not have it, and so they focus the people's fears, anger, and frustration at external enemies egging them on to do something drastic so they can point their fingers and say, "AH HA! See, the West really is evil, look what they did. Jihad!"

That's my opinion about the Iranian leadership.

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Last edited by Krypton on Aug-17-2007 at 04:49