Thanks, Swamper!!

It's good to know that not everyone's asleep!!!

Note how they tried to disguise their shoes with duct tape. I guess they never suspected that they'd be laying on the ground, wearing their own zip-tied handcuffs

How nefarious of them! I'd almost have to give them credit if their efforts were being put towards something that wasn't so... pathetic.

Woot! Swamper is here!!! Woot woot ... Great work.

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Originally posted by Arbiter How nefarious of them! I'd almost have to give them credit if their efforts were being put towards something that wasn't so... pathetic.

I don't think that you're seeing the big picture here.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/248866

Police deny using 'provocateurs' at summit
August 22, 2007
Joan Bryden Canadian press

OTTAWA – The Mounties and Quebec provincial police deny using agents provocateurs at this week's Montebello summit, despite video evidence that suggests undercover cops tried to incite violence.

The denials Wednesday did nothing to quell mounting outrage over police tactics. Anti-globalization and union activists joined with opposition politicians to demand an independent investigation.

They also questioned whether police were acting on orders from the Prime Minister's Office and called on both Stephen Harper and Quebec Premier Jean Charest to denounce the use of agents provocateurs.

"In a free and democratic society, people have the right to peacefully protest something they don't like," said union leader Dave Coles, who confronted the alleged undercover officers outside the summit site Monday.

"Are Canadian citizens going to have to face these kinds of provocateurs just because Stephen Harper seems to think we're some sort of loony-left group?

"Quite frankly, that's insulting and we don't accept it and we want answers from him."

The three alleged provocateurs were caught on camera (view YouTube video) – with bandanas masking their faces and at least one carrying a rock in his hand – approaching a line of Surete du Quebec police in full riot garb. They refused to back away, despite the insistence of Coles and other protest organizers that they leave the area.

As protesters surrounded the men and tried to snatch off their masks, one of the three spoke to an SQ officer. The trio got through the police line, were forced to the ground and handcuffed.

Photos of the men lying on the ground show the three were wearing combat boots with identical markings to the ones worn by an SQ officer kneeling beside them.

Video also shows the three eventually being led quietly away to police vans. By contrast, Coles said four legitimate protesters – whom police say were the only people arrested and charged at the summit – were "roughed up pretty good and dragged away."

A spokesman for Harper denied any role by the prime minister in the fair, saying "the PMO is not involved in security for events." Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day's office referred all questions to the RCMP.

The Mounties and the SQ, the two police forces involved in summit security, continued to refuse specific comment on three alleged undercover officers caught on camera in an apparent bid to incite a confrontation.

But they denied using agents to provoke violence.

"I confirm (to) you that there are no agents provocateurs in the Surete du Quebec. . . It doesn't exist in the Surete du Quebec," said Const. Melanie Larouche.

RCMP spokesman Cpl. Luc Bessette said the Mounties do "not use tactics that would encourage confrontation or incite violence."

Bessette said the RCMP cannot discuss details of security measures for major events such as the summit because "to do so could jeopardize the integrity of our operations for future events."

Liberal justice critic Marlene Jennings said the evidence is ``quite incriminating" and called on the two police forces to ``clear this up." She said it's one thing for officers to pose as protesters in a bid to keep an eye on potential trouble-makers, ``but to be instigators is completely unacceptable."

Jennings suggested protest organizers may want to file a complaint with the two forces. Coles said his union has not done so yet but is seeking legal advice.

New Democrat MP Libby Davies, who participated in the summit demonstrations, said the video evidence raises "hugely serious questions" about the role of the police at contentious international meetings.

"It seems like they create this environment, a show of force, that sets it up for a confrontation," she said.

"I think we need to know who authorized this, how high up does this go?"

Coles, president of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers union, speculated on two possible motives for the police to try to incite a riot at the summit, where Harper, U.S. President George Bush and Mexican President Felipe Calderon were discussing the Security and Prosperity Partnership between their three countries.

He said police may have wanted to justify the millions spent on security for the summit by creating an incident they could quell. But he said there may also have been a political motive to discredit the protesters as violent radicals, thereby deflecting attention from the substance of their opposition to the SPP.

"This is the face of (the SPP), where people can't even ask a question without having to face these kinds of goons. It's time that all the secrecy and backroom deals end," said Coles.

"The SPP is a fraud, just like those three so-called activists were."

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While I'm not dismissing it, I do fail to see the point of provocateurs to begin with?
Are we that hard up on Harper that we believe he'd use them just to make the protesters look bad? Why bother when there's hooligans in the crowd already?
Anyone who's ever been in a 'mobbish' scene knows exactly what I'm talking about here. Large crowds can easily turn to mob-rule as soon as any authority is in view. Especially if there's no love to begin with...

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Its not the first time this type of stuff happens. During a WTO meeting in Seattle few years back, agent provocateurs ransacked, destroyed shops, while police stood and watched them. They even had kick-ass hotels rented as well. Hopefully someone on here can bring up good video footage on that that I've see some time back, articles are not good enough for this ;-)

As for the reasons, Firestarter, you havent really read the article then, have you? Its pretty clear ...

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NO, NO ... THIS IS ALL A CONSPIRACY, DAMMIT ... come on, pkc, show your face here along with your neo-con gang ... this is a c-o-n-s-p-i-r-a-c-y, a coincidence, no evidence and such! Why would the Canadian government do this to the small group of peaceful Canadian protesters? Whats to gain, right pkc? LOL

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Originally posted by Magnetonium NO, NO ... THIS IS ALL A CONSPIRACY, DAMMIT ... come on, pkc, show your face here along with your neo-con gang ... this is a c-o-n-s-p-i-r-a-c-y, a coincidence, no evidence and such! Why would the Canadian government do this to the small group of peaceful Canadian protesters? Whats to gain, right pkc? LOL

the protesters here in canada pull this shit all the time. Those boots are bellville vanguards..... i have 3 pairs. great for hiking, paintball and cutting my grass. you can buy them at one of 25423452 stores in the ottawa area including marks work warehouse.

there is no need for the rcmp or the surete to hire "agents provacateurs" when the protesters will do it on their own. im sure the grandma and granpa's werent a threat. but the hundreds of much younger idiots were. Its the same old story. even with the protests here in ottawa there are a handfull of genuinely concerened citizens excersing their rights to protest and doing so in a peaceful, respectful and informed manner. then there are the legions of morons who follow them and bungle everything up.


go put your tinfoil hats back on

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp the protesters here in canada pull this shit all the time. Those boots are bellville vanguards..... i have 3 pairs. great for hiking, paintball and cutting my grass. you can buy them at one of 25423452 stores in the ottawa area including marks work warehouse. there is no need for the rcmp or the surete to hire "agents provacateurs" when the protesters will do it on their own. im sure the grandma and granpa's werent a threat. but the hundreds of much younger idiots were. Its the same old story. even with the protests here in ottawa there are a handfull of genuinely concerened citizens excersing their rights to protest and doing so in a peaceful, respectful and informed manner. then there are the legions of morons who follow them and bungle everything up. go put your tinfoil hats back on

I mean, its one thing when you and your gang think that just 9/11 was not a conspiracy. But seriously, people like you go around everywhere and say on every single occassion that the government never does thing and that, and cant do it. I mean, they must have you on a payroll or something. You really have to be a one very abiding sheep tuned to their frequencies to be like that. How can you trust them when they continue to lie, and just look at history for Christ's sake ... or is it just ignorance is bliss? Ahhh, we may never know ...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I mean, its one thing when you and your gang think that just 9/11 was not a conspiracy. But seriously, people like you go around everywhere and say on every single occassion that the government never does thing and that, and cant do it. I mean, they must have you on a payroll or something. You really have to be a one very abiding sheep tuned to their frequencies to be like that. How can you trust them when they continue to lie, and just look at history for Christ's sake ... or is it just ignorance is bliss? Ahhh, we may never know ...

Instead of trying to dismiss colonelcrisp why not answer the question?
Why would Harper need provocateurs to begin with when there's asshats that will do it for free?
Unless we can prove they're on someone's payroll, this is all heresy and innuendo, not to mention a convenient argument considering Seattle's situation; isn't it amazing that an article regarding Seattle's 'provocateurs' should be so handy at this time...

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