ive listened to alot of songs which, frankly, are plainly great, if it werent for the vocals thrown in... this is especially true of remixes where an instrumental version would have sufficed but theres none to be found
i dont know, but are there examples of producers and remixers contractually required to include a significant coherent portion of the vocals into the songs they make, even at the deteriment of the finished product?

There are tons of examples of a vocal being added after an instrumental has seen some success. Here's a few off the top of my head:

Cass & Slide - Perception
2 Unlimited - Get Ready For This
Jam & Spoon - Odyssey To Anyoona

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yes no doubt that sometimes vocals actually add to the song, but in my experience that is the exception rather than the rule... if the use of the vocals were at the discretion of the remixers, i think that many would not have applied it as extensively as they did, i.e. to the point of getting in the way of the song itself...

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Originally posted by carmatic i dont know, but are there examples of producers and remixers contractually required to include a significant coherent portion of the vocals into the songs they make, even at the deteriment of the finished product?

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Originally posted by woscar99 Easy there, Shakespeare this is teh internets!

Ouch, my head hurts from reading that you well educated Malaysian kid.

The last EDM track with vocals that I really liked was Late Night Alumni - Empty streets(Seamus Haji & Paul Emmanuel Remix)



Great deep House feel.

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Originally posted by Sykonee There are tons of examples of a vocal being added after an instrumental has seen some success. Here's a few off the top of my head: Cass & Slide - Perception 2 Unlimited - Get Ready For This Jam & Spoon - Odyssey To Anyoona

The vocal version of Perception was horrible.

Loads of producers add vocals to get chart success, recent examples

Bodyrox - yeah yeah
Dave Spoon & Lisa MAffia - Bad Girl (at night)

Who's the hottie in the video?

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Originally posted by woscar99 Who's the hottie in the video?

maybe having hot girls in videos is just part of the same trend as adding vocals to songs, in fact mostly female vocals .... the video could be just an example of the commercialization that producers are trying to achieve, and putting prominent vocals into their songs might be another means to that end

then again i have heard songs where the vocals are actually used artistically as opposed to commercially, being given equal emphasis as the rest of the instruments , and sometimes manipulated to become another instrument or even given so little emphasis that you cant hear the words properly anymore... to me songs like these are far more tolerable than others in which the singing is the primary focus while the rest of the sounds we traditionally associate with electronic dance music are merely used as accompaniments to the vocals... then again these songs were not written to be pop chart toppers, and they have not and will not be

a bunch of 4 String songs added vocals on later after the instrumental did well

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Good recent example:

Cosmic Gate - Consciousness

which later became...

Cosmic Gate - Body of Conflict

Largely the same track, but with vocals now. I loved the original when I heard it, and also like the new version with vocals, but it would be a pity if there was no instrumental version for sure because vocals are not good for all occasions. The breakdown melody in this track is more than enough to add emotion to the track.

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Originally posted by carmatic ive listened to alot of songs which, frankly, are plainly great, if it werent for the vocals thrown in... this is especially true of remixes where an instrumental version would have sufficed but theres none to be found i dont know, but are there examples of producers and remixers contractually required to include a significant coherent portion of the vocals into the songs they make, even at the deteriment of the finished product?

If you are talking about trance, then you're pretty bound to encounter shitty vocals.

Vocals are very edgy. If you don't push it enough, it seems forced and sounds false. Then its a buildup towards a very thin line, and if you cross that line, it sounds cheesy, commercial, generic and forced. In most cases, its either one. Too much or too little attention to vocals. The middle is hard to achieve...

That is why many producers decide to use samples of voice, whether it is actual signing, or only words.

In general, I would say vocals are shit, especially in trance/house generic crap.