this comes up about once a month. so sorry if it annoys anyone here.

i need to extract some vocals from a cd single but do not have the instramental(or know of an instrmental release) to use to phase cancel the music out of the vocal mix.

is there any way i can use phase cancellation to allow accapella creation from just the vocal mix of the track? for example, maybe cut the track into its seperate right and left channels and use them in a way to phase cancel and use the fact that the vocal is centered in the mix?

opinions?

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if the vocal is the only thing on dead center then yes...(not sure about how exactly, but I've heard somewhere it can be done).

Another thing to consider might be playing with EQ, sidechain etc...

it's an easy way how to get half-decent workable remix material...check my Gaudino's Destination bootleg.

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Originally posted by richg101 this comes up about once a month. so sorry if it annoys anyone here. i need to extract some vocals from a cd single but do not have the instramental(or know of an instrmental release) to use to phase cancel the music out of the vocal mix. is there any way i can use phase cancellation to allow accapella creation from just the vocal mix of the track? for example, maybe cut the track into its seperate right and left channels and use them in a way to phase cancel and use the fact that the vocal is centered in the mix? opinions?

No, it won't work. There's alot of other stuff that are centered in the mix as well as the vocal.

You can use an instrumental part of the track to cancel it out, but the instrumentation will most likely not be the same.

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Originally posted by Eldritch No, it won't work. There's alot of other stuff that are centered in the mix as well as the vocal. You can use an instrumental part of the track to cancel it out, but the instrumentation will most likely not be the same.

i hoped no one would say that

but i dont mind if there is a little bit of other stuff, i can imagine it might kill most of the stuff seeing as a lot will not be centered. ill prob be left with the kick for sure, as well as some efx. when playing two identical lined up versions (one phase inverted) it just cuts the whole thing and i get no sound at all.

how can i go about using phase cancellation when using two of the same tracks(both vocal mixes)?

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you invert only one side ... like one of the stereo channels...let's say you invert right...and play left normally.

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Fucking hell.

Just. Fucking hell...

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Originally posted by BOOsTER you invert only one side ... like one of the stereo channels...let's say you invert right...and play left normally.

and sum left and right together after that, so you get a mono result.

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That wont work. The bottom line is that what richg101 wants to achieve is impossible. I can't even be arsed to elaborate at this point. Anyone curious can run a search in this forum.

To the Moaners/'Bored-Disgruntled-Tranceaddict-Police':

why bother reading this? go read something else if you find the thread upsetting

thanks for the helpful advise everyone who shed some info on the matter.

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Originally posted by Pjotr G and sum left and right together after that, so you get a mono result.

i got a feeling this should give the instramental? not the vocals is this right?

then i suppose i could use the resultant instramental(inverted) to cancel the music from the original vocal mix....

assuming the vocals are centered


ps. Posters on TA never want 'it wont work' from people who assume things are impossible. they ask for advise from people who might know, or have some of their own ideas that might not be of direct use, but might open up ideas of myself and others. eventually a collaberative effort might result in something useful. if not, something else might come out of it. lets be more positive and make the forum warmer and more enjoyable to frequent.

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sorry officer

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