something about walking around downtown Toronto 2 years ago... there would ALWAYS be some dude blasting jungle in his car, that's something that was very unique to Toronto. Its a shame that in the past 2 years that I've been in Toronto, you would progressively hear less and less of it =)

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my cousin in London, UK was tellin me that jungle has also taken a significant backseat there as well .. actually it has for a long time so i think itz prolly cuz the music is highly established already. and a lotta DJ's are making a big enuff effort to produce their own material..

and yepps, 98-99 was tha bomb! Lifeforce, Effective, Destiny, etc..

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jungle has slowly turned into garage, as far as popularity goes anyways.

SOS2, I think you are making some pretty big generalizations about trance and its 'peak'. Arguably underground yes, the 'goold ol days' are long past. But many would argue you that as far as hitting a larger audience goes, trance is building on a daily basis not coming down from a peak.

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Originally posted by halo20 jungle has slowly turned into garage, as far as popularity goes anyways. SOS2, I think you are making some pretty big generalizations about trance and its 'peak'. Arguably underground yes, the 'goold ol days' are long past. But many would argue you that as far as hitting a larger audience goes, trance is building on a daily basis not coming down from a peak.

I disagree with you on this, back then trance had a larger crowd in the rave & clubb scene. Compaire the numbers of production companies that offered trance events back then and now. You'll noticed the dramaticly change. Most trance DJs are now switching to progressive, and to tell you the turth ... trance is being more hated and progressive has taken off recently. Look how many clubbs in TO that offere trance nights ? DeepGroove,Fuzion and I are trying are best to offer nu & old skool trance at System's VIP room on a weekly bases.

I've asked Mark Scafie this ...

"What happen, you don't spin trance anymore ?"

"It's hard to find work in Toronto if you spin trance. In Europe, trance will always be big and you'll see the most well dressed ppl in those clubbs. I've grown out trance a few years ago"

Everytime I mention " I love Trance " to ppl, I get a really dirty look afterwards. (8/10x this has happen to me)

Maybe in afew yrs Trance will be huge again ... but I can't see that happening in the present.

Everything works in cycles ...

Everyone tells me that 93 & 98 Jungle were the best years. When I use to skate 9 yrs ago, my firends would be blasting jungle in their car ... and I would have to say, it was very intresting

i think that maybe u can attribute it to the fact that the tracks that came out then were those 'classic anthems' ie. 1998, For AN angel, etc..

and quite often people associate the anthems now with cheeze (atleast in North America they do) which is why a lot of DJ's tend to shy away from it .. and of courses these DJ's can continue to spin tracks from 1998-99 forever..

i used to listen to a little trance before '98, but 98 was when it really started to pick up for me, so maybe the tracks that are spun when u get into the music always give you an emotional and sentimental attachment. This could be why you might feel like it was better then than it is now..

but in the end , it'll always depend on the context and where you're talking about. Trance being big/small here doesn't mean itz the same say in Tanzania or elsewhere..

ps. i always attibute 98-99 trance as liteshow trance, and current trance as dance trance :]

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Good points brought up across the board.

I agree with you that trance was extremely huge in 98', and also progressive has dominantly taken over the Toronto scene (in a sense). Just because Mark Scaiffe grew out of trance that means nothing. Granted most of Toronto's night are progressive, but the little trance nights we have are huge which over compensate for those system prog parties. But thats not my point, I'm not in a trance vs. progressive argument.

I was pointing out a pivotal point in the trance scene, it's growth. I agree with you ya da ya da ya da that best anthem emotional tracks are from a few years ago. HOWEVER, the scene is still growing and for one reason and one reason only, Mr. Paul Oakenfold. (now let me finish before you explode). That brit ****** has done nothing but tour the U.S, the American market is and will forever be THE market by which all other economies look to. Trance is growing (whether that be prog or hard trance) in a much more significant manner than a few years ago (say 98)

Proof? Hmmm. In 98 the biggest selling trance album? What? I have no god damn clue. Probably some compilation, probably Gatecrasher, or maybe even a PVD or BT album. hahah Probably sold a couple of hundred thousand. I think albums are selling more, people are being introduced to it more and more, and thus although the party scene might be depreciating the trance massive is slowly growing in the masses. Predominantly, the U.S (and thus everywhere else).

That was long, sorry. hah You have just to acknowledge the strength of the monetary system in the U.S.

Jon

P.S That trance backlash you are referring to, is coming back huge. There have been reports (Gatecrasher, digweeds new mixed comp, new vinyl) that trance is making a comeback in a huge way.

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hehe ..

i think there's a tangent in this whole debate about trance. cuz i wonder if SOS2 was talking about trance music in general (ie. the quality of the tracks) or the trance SCENE. cuz i suppose in a way the two can be seen as diff things ..

like Halo20 i'm sure ur referring to the scene in ur reply.. and what you've said is true i'm sure. I think that yes the scene is getting bigger because of the exposure, but i think that SOS2 felt that perhaps the quality of the trance music was better than it was before. it sounded so good and got into everyone's minds so fast, that when prog emerged it was like hitting a wall so suddenly.. we didn't really have much of a transition if u really look at it, maybe 1 year at most if even..

finally halo20 i think u were talkin about North America in general whereas SOS2 was prolly referring to Toronto specifically with his mention of Lifeforce and such ..

yea anyways heh this reply is getting too long .. :]

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sorry this question is a little off topic but...


im having an argument with my friend about the difference between jungle and dnb ( if there is any)

he says that all of those style tracks are drum n bass UNLESS there is an MC at the party ( ex. skibadee)

so hes saying that if skibadee isnt mcing then the track on the TT is dnb, but if he is MCing then the track is jungle

i say that it is ALL about what is on the vinyl and that the way the tracks are produced are different


whats your opinion?

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Originally posted by Flec sorry this question is a little off topic but... im having an argument with my friend about the difference between jungle and dnb ( if there is any) he says that all of those style tracks are drum n bass UNLESS there is an MC at the party ( ex. skibadee) so hes saying that if skibadee isnt mcing then the track on the TT is dnb, but if he is MCing then the track is jungle i say that it is ALL about what is on the vinyl and that the way the tracks are produced are different whats your opinion?

Well my friend your are right jungle and DnB are different, just be cause there is no one MCing on a track doesn’t mean that it is DnB. Jungle music fallows a complex but yet broken up pattern making it sound rugged as apposed to DnB which is smooth and is a drum beat fallowed by a bassline. So jungle comes in many styles and MC’s are more likely to freestyle to jungle but yet they do freestyle to DnB but what your friend is saying is a bit write but yet wrong.

I hope i was able to help there

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