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Originally posted by Q5echo Hillary is pulling it straight out of her ass right now. discuss.

I'd take great pleasure in strangling every freakin' MSM mouthpiece who're speculating about a "major" Clinton comeback should she win both big states. They're doing their best to keep the story alive, of course, but Obama will still have the lead with the delegates unless she wins by like 60% in both Ohio and Texas, which is extraordinarily unlikely.

She can pull anything she wants out of her ass, but this sucker was over since Super Tuesday a month ago. The Superdelegates will be talking in her ear tomorrow for her and her fucking gigantic ego to get the hell out.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I'd take great pleasure in strangling every freakin' MSM mouthpiece who're speculating about a "major" Clinton comeback should she win both big states. They're doing their best to keep the story alive, of course, but Obama will still have the lead with the delegates unless she wins by like 60% in both Ohio and Texas, which is extraordinarily unlikely. She can pull anything she wants out of her ass, but this sucker was over since Super Tuesday a month ago. The Superdelegates will be talking in her ear tomorrow for her and her fucking gigantic ego to get the hell out.

believe me, i somewhat feel your frustration but i differ in knowing that yes, it would be one hell of a comeback. "major" would be an understatement IMO. it's definitely a shift in the Democrat paradigm. pretty newsworthy if you ask me. i'd hate to see the MSM repress it thats for sure.

i mean from purely an observational perspective it really puts some faith back in the system IMO. candidates, through there constituants, really can be determiners of their own destinies.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I'd take great pleasure in strangling every freakin' MSM mouthpiece who're speculating about a "major" Clinton comeback should she win both big states. They're doing their best to keep the story alive, of course, but Obama will still have the lead with the delegates unless she wins by like 60% in both Ohio and Texas, which is extraordinarily unlikely. She can pull anything she wants out of her ass, but this sucker was over since Super Tuesday a month ago. The Superdelegates will be talking in her ear tomorrow for her and her fucking gigantic ego to get the hell out.

Its easy to share these sentiments when you're supporting Obama. If the situation were reversed I could easily see myself clinging to hope that things change and understand a desire to stick with it when a comeback is technically possible.

Hillary had a very good week on the trail. The NAFTA thing killed Obama in Ohio, and I have a feeling we're just hearing the beginning of the Rezko trial. Bad timing, but I think he's got enough buffer to carry him through - it's pretty unlikely that Hillary makes up any real ground in pledged delegates tonight even if she does carry Texas.

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Last edited by Spacey Orange on Mar-05-2008 at 06:31

Considering this was her "firewall" she couldn't be that happy with how things went tonight. She'll have the "media narrative" for a few days, but her gain in delegates (especially after the Texas Caucus results come through) will be negligible. Considering these were two states where she held 20%+ leads a couple of weeks ago, these results really aren't good enough for her. Before tonight she needed to win something like 58% of the remaining delegates to clinch the nomination. 55-43 and 51-47 (excluding caucus results) means that she's going to need 60%+ from here on.

She can spin it how she wants, but the only way Obama can lose this from here is if it's taken from him by the DLC. The Democrats are pretty good at self-destructing, but not even they would be stupid enough to hand the nomination to someone who lost the popular vote and the delegate count in the primaries.

EDIT: If she wins every contest from here by 25 points (so 62-37) she will still lose by 50 delegates:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2.../3056/80/468751
http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter/

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Last edited by Renegade on Mar-05-2008 at 07:20

But the Superdelagates can be her saving grace.

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Originally posted by Chryz707 But the Superdelagates can be her saving grace.

The superdelegates will break for whoever wins the pledged delegates / popular vote. If they don't, there'll be riots in the streets.

Let's be honest: the only way Hillary can win from here is by destroying the party. She can't win fairly and she certainly can't win democratically. If she takes this to Denver and wins the nomination by convincing the party bigwigs to vote for her against the will of the people, I will personally tattoo "McCain '08" onto my chest and sell my car to see that I can do everything in my financial power to stop her becoming president.

The Republicans must be loving this circus right now.

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Originally posted by Renegade The superdelegates will break for whoever wins the pledged delegates / popular vote. If they don't, there'll be riots in the streets. Let's be honest: the only way Hillary can win from here is by destroying the party. She can't win fairly and she certainly can't win democratically. If she takes this to Denver and wins the nomination by convincing the party bigwigs to vote for her against the will of the people, I will personally tattoo "McCain '08" onto my chest and sell my car to see that I can do everything in my financial power to stop her becoming president. The Republicans must be loving this circus right now.

I'm going to hold you to this. After 2000 and 2004 I've learned not to put anything past politics. Eight years of utter disappointment something like that would only fit the mold.

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Originally posted by Renegade The superdelegates will break for whoever wins the pledged delegates / popular vote. If they don't, there'll be riots in the streets. Let's be honest: the only way Hillary can win from here is by destroying the party. She can't win fairly and she certainly can't win democratically. If she takes this to Denver and wins the nomination by convincing the party bigwigs to vote for her against the will of the people, I will personally tattoo "McCain '08" onto my chest and sell my car to see that I can do everything in my financial power to stop her becoming president. The Republicans must be loving this circus right now.

not necessarily. youve presumed the "Messiah" has already been annointed. it may seem that way to you supporters of course but lets be honest, right?...he's not.

the race is now, going forward (b/c it's not over yet), for Obama to lose. which is completely plausible.

if he manages to err enough, forced or unforced, we'll quickly see a tipping of the super-delegate scales and won't in any way be an illegitimate victory like youre suggesting. i'm not saying it won't be spun that way (i wouldn't expect anything less from the Messiah friendly press) but it would be a reflection or referendum on the Democrat party structure itself, not an abuse of it.

she'll also try her damnedest to get those votes counted in Flo-ri-da and Michigan in which again was a consequence of the Party structure and policy.

...then we'll be loving the circus