yes it works. but its expensive for the state and often the government don't do enough to maintain the system (or so some argue).

its certainly way fucking better than the system in the US that's for sure.

___________________

What he said. We have it, it works. Woudnt want to be without it.

___________________

While there are some terrible examples of countries running social medication systems they should not be considered as standard practice.


I live in a country where I have no waiting lists, everything is taken care and paid for when I go to the pharmacy. I have a 1300 eur/month medication bill ... 100% reimbursement, but standard medication otherwise is reimbursed 90% in my region or 70% in the rest of the country( you can get a private medical insurance to help cover the uncovered costs ).

The main issue for the gov is the cost which has gone uncontrolled for so long. Also little to no plans on saving money, controlling costs etc, which explains for numerous amounts of "fraud" ( not in the real sense, just prescribed medication that was too expensive and too powerful for what was needed etc ).
Today it's generic meds if there exists one or your bill isn't paid. Have to see your GP for a referal before seeing a specialized doctor the first time or else you get to pay the whole bill.



The biggest issue with medication in the US is that the costs are uncontrolled. No gov oversight of costs of medication. Everybody does whatever they want and the patient is just a sucker of a customer.

It's not perfect, it's got it's problems, but I wouldn't want to live without it.

___________________
When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

in its current form around the world i can not stand it. i think that socialized medicine needs total reform. it mostly has a lot of problems with the way in which you must seek health care, or when different procedures are more preventative than required, you must wait till they are required. NHS (britains National Health care System) is a great example of the major problems that arise. you SHOULD get a double bypass now to prevent complications later, but NHS denies your claim till its required. well by the time its required, you need a quintuple bypass. how is that even good? the definition of "health care" is to PREVENT things to keep costs lower in the long run! when you have to wait till its imminent that you need something, thats not helping. its making things worse. honestly, yeah medicine in the US is expensive, and what not, but i prefer it. i dont have healthcare right now, which yeah sucks, but oh well. once im employed ill have it again.

the way health care could be much better and more effective, imho, is by making the socialized medicine only do the lower end stuff. it doesnt deal with any serious stuff. just commom colds, pains, and all that shit. then you have your private health care that would cover all the major stuff. thats just my opinion.

___________________

quote:

Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

quote:

Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

don't they have 24 hour free clinics out in your neck?

quote:

Originally posted by gehzumteufel

Incorrect actually. The more serious the more likely it is to get done. I've had ops for fairly minor stuff all free. And fairly quickly.

You do get what we call the "post code lottery" i.e. some places are way better than others though.

But if you want to go private or get insurance to speed anything up you can. So it's fair enough.

Only problem is the new introduction of targets. Now huge amount of time and money is wasted just to meet them.

___________________
If you can read this, I'm seriously fucking bored.

There is no perfect health care system.

In the US it's expensive, and not everyone can afford it currently, but as long as you have insurance, you get the care you want, when you need it (over-simplification, I know). And contrary to popular belief, no one dies because they don't have insurance. If you have an acute issue and go the hospital, you will be treated, regardless of whether you ever pay.

In most socialized countries, everyone has some form of basic healthcare, but that usually comes along with longer waiting times and the possibility of having treatments delayed or denied due to resource constraints. As in the US, no one dies because of these constraints because acute concerns get priority.

So, you have to pick your poison; pay for health care via taxes and everyone gets it, but most likely you're going to have delays in care and aspects of care dictated by the government. Or, you can have expensive health insurance like in the US, but you'll get better access while leaving some uninsured. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle, maybe like Australia, where you have a two-tiered system. The problem with two-tiered systems is then you generally establish two tiers of health quality where those using government health care suffer.

Ideologically socialized medicine is great, but it has pitfalls just like private insurance does.

Well I actually like the concept that fat bastards who eat a lot of crap and smoke have to pay more as they are more likely to use it.

But the key point is kids. They have no choice they are born into their family. Ok the family is intimately responsible but... I want every sick kid in my country to get the same help if possible. And I'm prepared to pay for it.

___________________
If you can read this, I'm seriously fucking bored.

The constitution says the right to life, liberty, and happiness are self-evident. Wouldn't health be included in life or at least happiness?

___________________

quote:

Originally posted by Dervish Well I actually like the concept that fat bastards who eat a lot of crap and smoke have to pay more as they are more likely to use it. But the key point is kids. They have no choice they are born into their family. Ok the family is intimately responsible but... I want every sick kid in my country to get the same help if possible. And I'm prepared to pay for it.

Bravo.

___________________
Nothing lasts, nothing lasts, everything is changing into something else. Nothing is wrong, nothing is wrong, everything is on track...

You know, William Blake said... uh, nothing is lost. Nothing is lost and I... I really believe that, we only move on...