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Magnetonium
Dubstep = Douchestep



Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada
Defending Afghanistan



Well, not really. EvilTree to defend his previous stance on the positive Canadian military campaign in Afghanistan ... I couldn't find that thread, so I'll be adding articles to this one. My point - Afghanistan is fucked up, and Canadian soldiers are dying weekly for NOTHING. Dying for more drugs to flow out of that country, more human rights abuse to carry out, closing eyes and ears to obvious torture claims and other terrible crimes, especially against women and children. AND the best part - VIOLENCE IN AFGHANISTAN IS ON THE RISE. Operation Canadian Surge, anyone?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...ry/Afghanistan/

War takes time out for opium windfall
In Afghanistan, spring brings calm as farmers harvest their poppies only to see renewed fighting fuelled by narco cash in summer




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KATHERINE O'NEILL AND GRAEME SMITH

From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

May 13, 2008 at 4:36 AM EDT

NEAR BAZAR-E-PANJWAI and KANDAHAR, AFGHANISTAN — The swollen green poppy bulbs are being plucked from the fields as the annual spring harvest is under way in Afghanistan's volatile and dangerous Panjwai district.

"Fifteen days," an Afghan farmer told a Canadian soldier yesterday, when asked about how long he expected it will take to clear his field. As the farmer talked, he carefully cut open a bulb the size of a walnut and scooped out the oozing sap.

In nearby fields, the harvest could be finished as early as Friday.

Canadian soldiers patrolling areas southwest of Kandahar are closely watching the calendar, as they prepare for a renewed Taliban offensive after the fields are cleared.

In nearby Kandahar, the annual start of the fighting season has become as regular as the harvest season. When the bulbs ripen on the poppy stalks, farmers hire armies of young men to work the fields. For a few weeks in late April and early May, it's difficult to find a taxi or a construction worker in the city, as every available labourer goes into the countryside. Many shops are shuttered, and the city takes on an air of sleepy anticipation.

The level of violence in Kandahar province has dropped sharply during this period of calm that comes with the harvest, as it always does in late spring. Village elders say this is partly because the young men are farming instead of fighting, but also because the Taliban feel social pressure from ordinary people who need a good opium crop to pay for the year's expenses; the insurgents would lose support if they disrupt the harvest.

As the last remnants of dark tar get scraped off the plants, however, the tension grows. City residents ask people who recently returned from the fields when the harvest will finish, trying to guess when the fighting will start.

Military officials usually describe the annual outbreak of fighting in purely economic terms, saying the end of the harvest leaves thousands of unemployed young men who don't have any financial alternative except selling themselves as hired guns to the insurgency. At the same time, however, many poor labourers find themselves flush with more money than they've seen all year, after making inflated wages four or five times higher than their salary rate in slower seasons. Some observers say it's the influx of cash into the countryside that brings a fresh supply of ammunition and supplies to the insurgents; others say it's only the summer heat that brings war, as the nights are warm enough for a band of fighters to sleep in the fields without blankets.

Whatever the reason, the escalating violence of each summer is sickeningly predictable - so predictable, in fact, that pharmacists in Kandahar city are stocking extra medicines in anticipation of higher casualties and increased sales.

Haji Agha Raheemdin, head of Pharmaceuticals Services Union of Kandahar, said he usually sells about $100,000 worth of supplies a month, but anticipates sales of $200,000 to $300,000 in the month after the harvest's end. That estimate does not include the medicine his group will donate to the city's main hospital, he said.

"This problem can't be solved by fighting," Mr. Raheemdin said. "But the fighters don't know this. Every year, the fight is bigger."

As the fighting has escalated every year, fears spread in Afghanistan last spring that the 2007 season would include a so-called "spring offensive" by the Taliban, possibly a frontal attack on a major town or city. Such an attack never happened, and NATO officials trumpeted this as a successful thwarting of a Taliban offensive.

But the insurgents claimed their new strategy called for more numerous attacks by smaller groups of fighters, and the statistics from last year's fighting season did record a spike in violence that some analysts have described as an offensive.

"We totally disagree with those who assert that the 'spring offensive' did not happen," concludes a year-end report by the Afghanistan NGO Safety Office, describing a fourfold increase in attacks from February to July, 2007. "The numbers do not lie," the report said.

This year's numbers look similar, but worse. Data collected by security consultant Sami Kovanen, of Vigilant Strategic Services Afghanistan, show a steady increase in insurgent attacks in the first 14 weeks of 2008, with every week except one recording a higher volume of incidents than the same week in the previous year. Then, in the 15th to 18th weeks, the number of attacks dips down in a lull similar to the calm before previous fighting seasons. Over all, however, VSSA had counted 226 insurgent attacks in Kandahar this year, as of May 4, compared with 167 during the same period last year, leading some analysts to predict that this fighting season will bring more violence than the last.

Military officials privately acknowledge that their own statistics reflect a similar increase in the number of insurgent attacks, but they draw different conclusions from the data. The fact that insurgents are not massing in the large battle groups seen in 2006 shows that NATO and Afghan troops are forcing them to scatter, increasing the number of incidents but lowering the insurgents' effectiveness, officials say.










A farmer, watched by an Afghan soldier, plucks swollen green poppy bulbs Monday in Panjwai district. (Katherine O’Neill/The Globe and Mail)

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Krypton
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Afghanistan is just as stagnant as Iraq is when it comes to the possibility of total victory. These are never ending wars. In my opinion, these wars serve as an excuse to continue spending more and more money on the military. Hell, since 2001, the US military budget has more than doubled. First, they told us it would be quick. Then, they told us to be patient. Then they told us some of our rights would have to be taken away. When will it end???


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pkcRAISTLIN
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yeah, let's have the taliban running afghanistan again. they were awesome administrators.


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quote:
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yeah, let's have the taliban running afghanistan again. they were awesome administrators.


Since when did you care about what goes on in Kabul administratively?


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quote:
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Since when did you care about what goes on in Kabul administratively?


im mocking you two one-eyed american haters.


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Magnetonium
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quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yeah, let's have the taliban running afghanistan again. they were awesome administrators.


Yeah, sure, we're already helping out many other brutal regimes ... only the ones that dont co-operate we take down and install the leaders that we need to work for us. Afghanistan is no exception. Besides, I recall the rise of Taliban was quite welcomed in some Western circles

Who said I was an American hater? I love America ... music ... sports ... arts ... people ... etc. just politics are ghey.

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quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
im mocking you two one-eyed american haters.


eeexactly....


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Location: Toronto,Canada

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yeah, let's have the taliban running afghanistan again. they were awesome administrators.



Taliban still remains in Afghanistan,and they are regrouping as we speak.


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Magnetonium
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Taliban still remains in Afghanistan,and they are regrouping as we speak.


AND even some Afghan warlords have formerly been Taliban sympathizers or supporters ... over the last 3 decades many of the warlords have been switching sides over and over again. Its the only way to survive, I suppose. And these same warlords are the ones who have escaped prosecution for their war crimes and abuse, too ...

And we call them our "friends"

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AND even some Afghan warlords have formerly been Taliban sympathizers or supporters ... over the last 3 decades many of the warlords have been switching sides over and over again. Its the only way to survive, I suppose. And these same warlords are the ones who have escaped prosecution for their war crimes and abuse, too ...

And we call them our "friends"



This is your typical US foreign politics,one day they are the enemies the other day they are "friends". Look at Iraq now, the US government is paying and negotiating with the Sunni fighters/terrorists eventhough 2 years go those same Sunni insurgents were killing US troops.


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Lebezniatnikov
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If we hadn't taken our eye off the ball with Iraq, a lot of these problematic developments wouldn't have been as bad. The Taliban is indeed re-grouping, and NATO is ill-equipped to deal with that because resources are too limited. There are 150,000 troops in Iraq, but only 28,000 in all of Afghanistan. What I'd like to know is why we didn't wrap up the legitimate conflict before moving on to an illegitimate one.


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in case anyone is forgetting, the taliban were providing refuge to an army that declared war on the united states. the US has every right to be there.

this is a country that banned sport and destroyed priceless historical monuments in the name of religion. who subjected women to the most oppressive measures.

im not quite sure why everyone thinks the country should be sweet and peachy inside 5 minutes. there are obviously issues. NATO need to pay more attention and treat this like a war instead of a peace-keeping mission.

but you go on enjoying the liberal opportunities protected for you by the evil government you constantly rail against. im sure afghanistan would have been liberalising any day now, under its own steam. little girls going to school within 5 years for sure!

quote:
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What I'd like to know is why we didn't wrap up the legitimate conflict before moving on to an illegitimate one.


see, kalashnikov understands more than you two put together. this is the question, not your irrelevant bollocks. i really respect both of you guys and enjoy reading your posts, but fuck you both piss me off sometimes. and im sure the feeling is mutual


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