Try side-chaining the two sounds (with the kick as the trigger for compressing the bass-line).

I *believe* this is one possible solution to your problem.

i have tried it and done it. but yes a very good techniqe. i almost always add at least a bit of sidechain on my basslines.

mainly what i'm curios of is if it is normal for the sub bass to take up some of the kick freq, whcih results in a shortening of the kick.

i must say that i still have the kick pressing threw on the original hit , like it doesnt get drowned out in level or volume but just shorted when the sub comes in after the 32 measures, which i'm sure well all understand.
i'm just kinda confoused beacuse i have hear this in other songs and from toher producers that i look up to, but i still don't think it is quite right??? or maybe i'm wrong and it is a natural thing that happens when you add a sub bass of the same pitch with a kick.

stoneface & terminal productions is where i have heard the differance in kick to kick and sub. i love there sound but still can't get my mind over the simple freq issue. maybe i'm just trippy and spending too much time on tryin small perfections, but really that's the point i'm at. still learning what works and sounds best.

again thank you for any help an insight to this on going delema, much appreciated

Last edited by lowski on Jun-18-2008 at 14:36

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Originally posted by lowski mainly what i'm curios of is if it is normal for the sub bass to take up some of the kick freq, whcih results in a shortening of the kick.

Yes, that is normal. As long as the kicks sub frequencies are louder than the bassline's it's okay. Sub frequencies will always be a bit messy.

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Originally posted by Eldritch Yes, that is normal. As long as the kicks sub frequencies are louder than the bassline's it's okay. Sub frequencies will always be a bit messy.

thanks for the input. i was actually hoping to ... well this just sounds stupid (well now that i said it i will say it the best i can).
but to actually find back on on some kind of freq track that lets the kick and the bass sit as close as they can before sounding like mud, would have been perfect.

so i will make a simple question.

When eqing your kick to your bass, what usually sits lower?.

Kick, definately. but I suppose it depends alot on what style you're producing.

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Originally posted by lowski thanks for the input. i was actually hoping to ... well this just sounds stupid (well now that i said it i will say it the best i can). but to actually find back on on some kind of freq track that lets the kick and the bass sit as close as they can before sounding like mud, would have been perfect. so i will make a simple question. When eqing your kick to your bass, what usually sits lower?.

Actually I think that depends on the type of music your making...

But whatever you do, eq both, or one, so that they are compatible with the other (basically just sounds clean and good, without killing the bass in the process)

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now what i have done is usually cut the bass at a low level in freq while keeping the kick in a freq just a bit lower (kck low freq "maybe around 60 - 80- , while i have the sub bass being cut at 80- 120, hich gives the sub bass a push throw the mix but i don't think it's low enough and can lack that pumpin' sound that we all go for)

Thats some funny EQing. I dnt quite understand what your tyring to do there. Sound like your trying too hard. It shouldnt be that hard to get kick and bass sounding allright together.

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you should just spend some time on it, a good idea is to sidechain LAST, after it already SOUNDS GOOD, this way you're just adding a little extra oomph to the bottom end...

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Seems like you're having the classic lower frequencies problem, I guess we've all been there ....

First of all, a little tip. Club systems usually cannot go any lower than 50Hz, so try not to go under there, actually, what I do, is put an EQ on the master and cut anything below 50Hz, that will also remove some rumble under there.

But for your lower frequency problem. As said before, sidechaining could really help your problem, and you said you already tried that but you want to know how your kick and bass can co-exist without sidechaining. First of all, you can avoid this by setting up the following pattern of kick and bass:

K---K---K---K---
--B---B---B---B-

or (like in Stoneface & Terminal - Pictures)

K---K---K---K---
-B-B--B--B-B--B-

In this way, the kick and bass won't clatch, that is ofcourse if the release on you subbass isn't to long.
The other thing is to use a spectral analyser to see which frequencies are used by the kick and bass, and just cut those with your EQ.
BTW: It's true that the vengeance samples have been processed so you should be able to use them directly in you track. However, I've never found a kicksample from Vengeance that I could use directly in one of my tracks, I always process them myself.

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First of all, a little tip. Club systems usually cannot go any lower than 50Hz, so try not to go under there, actually, what I do, is put an EQ on the master and cut anything below 50Hz, that will also remove some rumble under there.

I dnt think that correct at all.

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Originally posted by theartfulducker I dnt think that correct at all.

And yet, very true....Link

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