What a fantastic propaganda piece. Chomsky would have a field day with that one, tearing every single point to shreds with the reality of what this means.

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During a time of economic uncertainty, the plan would cost every American taxpayer around $2,500.

Completely, utterly wrong. There will be no 2,500$ flat fee to combat global poverty I could go on, but it would be a waste of time..


I mean fuck. It's in Investors Business Daily, whose interests do you think are represented here? Middle class American tax payers? You and me?

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis What a fantastic propaganda piece. Chomsky would have a field day with that one, tearing every single point to shreds with the reality of what this means. Completely, utterly wrong. There will be no 2,500$ flat fee to combat global poverty I could go on, but it would be a waste of time.. I mean fuck. It's in Investors Business Daily, whose interests do you think are represented here? Middle class American tax payers? You and me?

No! There is a difference between hard working American people that want to see more of their money and those that want the govt to tax them more and more so they can live off the govt like yourself

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

That article is full of lies and fear mongering. The fact that they even use the word "Marxist" just attests the fact they are using extreme left ideology to scare people onto their side, when in fact, the bill is FAR FROM MARXIST!

Lie #1: Obama's Global Tax

HR 1302 is NOT, I repeat, NOT a tax on the American people.

Lie #2: It follows Marxist theology.

Marxist ideology is one in which all economic classes are merged into one. That is far, FAR, from the objective of the bill.

Lie #3: Obama's bill would force U.S. taxpayers to fork over 0.7% of our gross domestic product every year to fund a global war on poverty, spending well above the $16.3 billion in global poverty aid the U.S. already spends.

The bill sets NO, I repeat, NO minimum foreign aid spending requirements.

THE TRUTH: HR 1302, Global Poverty Act of 2007, seeks to develop a plan through the UN to help reduce the amount of people around the world living on less than $1 a day. It is not a tax. It is NON-BINDING. It sets NO minimum aid amounts.

These extremist capitalists are lying about the Global Poverty Act of 2007 and they are lying about Obama. If these guys are so concerned about government expenditures, then they need to be writing articles on how the Bush Administration has thrown $1 trillion out the window fighting a war on false premises.

The best thing everyone can do, is read the bill itself, and stop believing the lies from the right...

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Originally posted by LatinLover No! There is a difference between hard working American people that want to see more of their money and those that want the govt to tax them more and more so they can live off the govt like yourself

I live in California you fucking moron, I probably pay more taxes than you do.

If we didn't give such massive tax breaks to corporations and the wealthiest 1% of Americans, most of those folks who actually DO need to see a lot more of their income probably would.


But you can continue to believe the propaganda machine, which directly represents the interests of those extremely wealthy individuals who want as much money as possible to buy their 5th Maybach and a new Gulfstream V, those CEO's and stockholders who want bigger bottom lines, who have (apparently) successfully convinced so many like yourself that these policies are hurting John Q from Kansas City who works at Wal-Mart.

I like paying taxes. I like funding infrastructure. I like reducing the deficit. I like paying for other people's healthcare since they're not lucky enough to have an employer that provides it like me. I like the idea of sending a tiny fraction of my income to help someone who is payed 75 cents a day at the Nike factory in Bangladesh to get some kind of assistance since the enormous American corporation operating in their country could give a fuck less about them.

The same type of corporate propaganda machine that is responsible for the above article, responsible for selling us all on free trade, NAFTA, etc, under the guise of helping the poor, has managed to get ordinary people like you to push their agenda, an agenda that does NOT benefit you, this country or anyone else besides the private tyrannies whose only goal is to suck as much money out of their trade as possible, at whatever the cost, stepping on anyone in the way until a lawsuit is brought.

You're on the wrong fucking side.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis I live in California you fucking moron, I probably pay more taxes than you do. If we didn't give such massive tax breaks to corporations and the wealthiest 1% of Americans, most of those folks who actually DO need to see a lot more of their income probably would. But you can continue to believe the propaganda machine, which directly represents the interests of those extremely wealthy individuals who want as much money as possible to buy their 5th Maybach and a new Gulfstream V, those CEO's and stockholders who want bigger bottom lines, who have (apparently) successfully convinced so many like yourself that these policies are hurting John Q from Kansas City who works at Wal-Mart. I like paying taxes. I like funding infrastructure. I like reducing the deficit. I like paying for other people's healthcare since they're not lucky enough to have an employer that provides it like me. I like the idea of sending a tiny fraction of my income to help someone who is payed 75 cents a day at the Nike factory in Bangladesh to get some kind of assistance since the enormous American corporation operating in their country could give a fuck less about them. The same type of corporate propaganda machine that is responsible for the above article, responsible for selling us all on free trade, NAFTA, etc, under the guise of helping the poor, has managed to get ordinary people like you to push their agenda, an agenda that does NOT benefit you, this country or anyone else besides the private tyrannies whose only goal is to suck as much money out of their trade as possible, at whatever the cost, stepping on anyone in the way until a lawsuit is brought. You're on the wrong fucking side.

Dont lie to yourself!

Wealthy americans are the ones that invest in this country. They are the job creators. Those frustrated americans like yourself just hate the fact they have amassed so much wealth. I mean these individuals work hard for their money, money that dosent fall to them in the sky. And you want the govt to tax the shit out of them simply because they have wealth. I dont get that ideology.

I mean Clovis would you like it if the govt taxed the shit out of you simply because you have wealth that you have WORKED for? For what reason? For wealth distribution?

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

I dont want to put the notion that I'm all for the wealthy. Im all for the hard working american that wants to see more of their money in the bank and not give it to the govt that misspents it. I truly believe that Americans are the best managers of their own money.

Clovis, I am sure you are a nice guy and that you have helped financially many people through out your life time. But having the notion to screw the wealthy for the benefit of others, I dont get that ideology.

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Dont lie to yourself! Wealthy americans are the ones that invest in this country. They are the job creators. Those frustrated americans like yourself just hate the fact they have amassed so much wealth. I mean these individuals work hard for their money, money that dosent fall to them in the sky. And you want the govt to tax the shit out of them simply because they have wealth. I dont get that ideology. I mean Clovis would you like it if the govt taxed the shit out of you simply because you have wealth that you have WORKED for? For what reason? For wealth distribution?

There comes a point when the accumulation of such large amounts of wealth has little to do with actual WORK. That much is painfully obvious.

I would love it if the government taxed the shit out of me if I was making over a million dollars. I don't need that much money and other people NEED HELP. Desperately. Our infrastructure needs repairing. All American citizens deserve healthcare and I would be happy to part with large sums of my income to help fellow countrymen who are less fortunate. I like giving. I do it all the time even with the meager yearly salary I currently make. People who make inordinate amounts of money have the CAPACITY to give greater amounts and they SHOULD. It isn't about screwing them. It's about evening some of the incredible disparities of wealth that modern capitalism has created. If you help poor people pay their bills, get cheaper or free healthcare, they have more purchasing power to buy homes, cars etc. Everyone benefits from taxes when they are used to the benefit of the country as a whole. (i.e. not on a trillion dollar war)

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Originally posted by Clovis There comes a point when the accumulation of such large amounts of wealth has little to do with actual WORK. That much is painfully obvious. I would love it if the government taxed the shit out of me if I was making over a million dollars. I don't need that much money and other people NEED HELP. Desperately. Our infrastructure needs repairing. All American citizens deserve healthcare and I would be happy to part with large sums of my income to help fellow countrymen who are less fortunate. I like giving. I do it all the time even with the meager yearly salary I currently make. People who make inordinate amounts of money have the CAPACITY to give greater amounts and they SHOULD.

I agree with you! I belive that accumulating great amount of wealth also entitles and individual for greater responsibilites. Like giving back to his community that has embraced him to conduct business and that has giving him the opportunity to create wealth.

But what I denounce is to forcefully take money from these individuals. Remember Clovis everytime the govt wants more and more. It might start taking a little portion but soon enough they want a bigger peice of the pie.

I also share with you that many Americans want healthcare. I believe that NOT FREE but to make it affordable. One of the greatest attributes is that the American people work hard for what they have and expect nothing free from the govt like in many Euro countries. I mean we have a product (healthcare) that is a good product but expensive. We want to make sure that is affordable without compromising its quality. What good it would be if we had free health care but a shitty product?

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

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Originally posted by LatinLover I agree with you! I belive that accumulating great amount of wealth also entitles and individual for greater responsibilites. Like giving back to his community that has embraced him to conduct business and that has giving him the opportunity to create wealth.

But few wealthy individuals are concerned with this, they might give slices to charity now and then, but thats it. Of course there are big time philanthropists, but in the context of the sums they make this is often meager at best. Sheldon Adelson gives tons to certain charities and he still has ample amounts to afford a private 767 jet...a line needs to be drawn somewhere. I think when people lose all capacity for benevolence the government should have a right to step in. Afterall these people are making money off of vast numbers of average Americans who pay the bulk of the country's taxes and yet have far, far less disposable income. We should tax the ultra rich more if it allows us to ease taxes for those making less.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis Afterall these people are making money off of vast numbers of average Americans who pay the bulk of the country's taxes

Wrong. This is not opinion, it is stone cold fact. Way to get suckered by leftist propoganda:

The top 1% of taxpayers (making over $388,000) pay 40% of the taxes.

The top 10% pay 70%

The top 50% pay 97.1%

NEW IRS TAX DATA AS OF LAST WEEK:
"The top 1% earned 22% of all reported income, but they also paid a share of taxes not far from double their share of income." In other words, the tax code's already steeply progressive. Yes, even at 35, 36%. And what this proves is the old adage that when you lower taxes, you get increased revenue. Listen to these numbers.
"In 1990, the richest 1% were 14% of the nation's income. They paid 25% of all taxes. In 2000, they paid 37%. In 2005, they paid 39%; and 2006, 40%." So since 1990, the rich, top 1%, richest 1% have paid from 25% in 1990 to 40% in 2006 of all income taxes. The richest 5% in 1990 paid 44%. In 2000, they paid 56%; in 2005, paid 60%. The top 10% now pay 71%. But the big number is the top 50% are paying 97.1% of all taxes.
"It proves the way to soak the rich is with lower tax rates, and the IRS data from last week provide more powerful validation of that proposition. But, nevertheless, the Democrats and Obama continue to say that these tax cuts have been a giveaway to the rich and it's a figment of their imagination. Taxes paid by millionaire households more than doubled to $274 billion in 2006, from $136 billion in 2003." What happened in 2003? We rolled back the Clinton tax increases! "No president has ever plied more money from the rich than George W. Bush did with his 2003 tax cuts. These tax payments from the rich explain the very rapid reduction in the budget deficit to 1.9% of GDP in 2006 when it was 3.5% in 2003."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121...=googlenews_wsj

Bottom line: The author is worried about spending $65 billion a year to fight poverty around the world.

The total cost of the Iraq war is already 10X that amount.

Which is the bigger waste of taxpayer dollars? Invading and occupying a foreign land..creating hatred and resentment towards America? Or being charitable and helping to feed, clothe and educate the poorest people in the world? This is Investors Business Daily yet they can't even see which policy will pay better dividends to us in in the long run..