I bought a number of tracks off Juno recently and I have started to use auCDtect to check if they are genuine wav files or not.
Now some were genuine but some were not according to the software. It could be the case of-course the label re-encoded themselves from a 320 mp3, possibly the original recordings didn't have any frequency above 16Khz also.
When you look at the spectrograms of the fakes you can clearly see some go flat at around 16Khz.
Anyone else noticed this?
Dec-25-2010 14:46
montana
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Registered: Mar 2003
Location: södertälje. sweden
yeah, there is several labels that do this, a guy on another forum who is on a number of promo pools has noticed that alot of releases start as mp3 source, and that this practice has been done for a long time now. there have been some cdsingles and releases that were pressed from mp3s and that's not even after beatport and digital promo pools came about.
it's bullshit but to be honest, if you are on the know that this or that label uses mp3 source as master, then don't buy their waves or flacs.
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Dec-25-2010 23:10
Matt_Moor
Senior tranceaddict
Registered: Jun 2010
Location: London
quote:
Originally posted by montana
yeah, there is several labels that do this, a guy on another forum who is on a number of promo pools has noticed that alot of releases start as mp3 source, and that this practice has been done for a long time now. there have been some cdsingles and releases that were pressed from mp3s and that's not even after beatport and digital promo pools came about.
it's bullshit but to be honest, if you are on the know that this or that label uses mp3 source as master, then don't buy their waves or flacs.
That is a disgrace! Thanks for the info mate I wont be buying anymore Lost Language that is for sure.
Cannot believe how cheeky this practice is, charging people extra money for something that is no better than a 320 MP3. I feel so pissed about this.
For the record the release I bought were:
Origin - Wide Eyed Angel
Natious - Amber
Arenok - Free Yourself
Benz & Md - Redline
Benz & Md - Turning The Curves
Perry O'Neil - Bass Society
Kyo & Gil - Ultima
Dec-25-2010 23:21
Chimney
Low pH
Registered: Oct 2008
Location: Helsingborg
I'll check some of my Juno purchases.
Dec-26-2010 00:06
basilisk
Ektoplazm
Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada
Expose them!
Be careful though, some engineers remove high frequencies from the mix during mastering... I think the distinguishing feature is usually a hard vs soft cut-off. Lossy media looks lossy in the spectral analyzer.
Dec-27-2010 00:18
montana
dub come save me
Registered: Mar 2003
Location: södertälje. sweden
yeah, if you think that wave doesn't sound like a wave, check it with a spectrum analyzer or better yet, load the song in cooledit/auditions and check it in spectral view. or just listen to it
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Dec-29-2010 11:35
Chimney
Low pH
Registered: Oct 2008
Location: Helsingborg
The FLAC version of Seth Troxler & Art Department - Vampire Nightclub. Notice the frequency cut at 14.000
Typical pre LAME 3.97 mp3 encoding.
Maybe I should write them a mail.
Dec-30-2010 19:05
Kismet7
nononoyesyesyesnonono
Registered: Dec 2008
Location: earf
what do you see though? i see velvety curtains
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Dec-31-2010 10:22
Chimney
Low pH
Registered: Oct 2008
Location: Helsingborg
quote:
Originally posted by Kismet7
what do you see though? i see velvety curtains
Look at about 13800/14000, you can see it cuts, then the frequency continues. This is close to how 320 CBR with LAME 3,97 and 3,98 (was wrong about the "pre" in the previous post) is supposed to look, but with cut at 16.000 instead. This is what a clear, clean 100% FLAC file looks like:
Dec-31-2010 12:31
ali92
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Fishtown, Philadelphia
It looks like I am now a victim of this. I scanned all my Juno purchases & it seems the latest one I bought, Illitheas - 2010-11-26 - Perfect Day, has a hard cut-off at around 19.5 KHz.
I have shied away for a while from buying 'digital' music for fear of this and from what you on here are saying, it looks like there is no solution to the problem if even pressed CDs are ultimately having inferior audio.
Will this trend continue, with the future basically being lossy only, with no options for people with good enough ears & equipment?
