lol @ sheltered americans!

lol @ rampaging aussies!


We need to realise that both cultures have completely different ways of dealing with stuff like this. Aussies are battlers, we've had the tough fights, won them, lost them etc. But we're not about to cry foul and feel the world owes us everything for it. We just get back up and keep going. Sure, we have our traditions like ANZAC and we're damn proud of em, but we don't ask for anything in return. We're both proud countries, but I can safely say Australia is the humbled country of the 2. We're also far more cynical, simply because we observe reality.


Americans are the opposite. Their flamboyant media consitently indoctrinates their population into thinking their #1 and unbeatable. As a result, if anything bad happens towards them, they get all dramatic and create a fanfare. 1 chick gets rescued out of a Baghdad hospital after being stupid enough to get caught. What do they do? Broadcast nationally a homecoming parade in her town (Population of 200.) America is loud, brash & big. They're too stupid to realise why they're targeted, and even if they did they'd be too stupid to know what to do about it, other than blow it up.

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Originally posted by christos It's amazing how only 2600 odd people only died in the incident considering at that time 50,000 people occupy the tower(s)....seems that somebody must have known what was going on.....and it was funny to see that the people that survived were late to work, slept in, had to drop the kids to school etc...and the ones that I saw them interviewing were all jewish. I'm no sucker for consipracy theories but it all stacks up...come on let's just be friends and all love trance, and abolish prog. hahahaha......there is politics everywhere, we can't escape it. Chris Pana

Ok, I don't want to get embroiled in the flaming tit-for-tat you guys have going with the NYTA forum (if you want to talk politics I'm game for it in the polit forum) but I just want to clear up any conspiracy theories or misconceptions you may have. First of all, the whole Jewish thing you've heard is simply racist propoganda. There have long been unconfirmed stories floating around about Jews being warned to go home by the Mossad, Jewish students who saw the attacks and were rejoicing, etc. None of them have been in any way whatsoever been confirmed by a reputable news source and have only been reported in reports from ... shall we say less than objective news sources? If you are unfamiliar with www.snopes.com I suggest you read it, it is typically well documented and helps in dispelling a lot of internet propogated myths:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.htm

Now, let's look into the fact that "only" 2800 people died as opposed to the 50,000 workers who worked there at PEAK hours. There are a number of explanations for this. I'll begin with the most obvious. The planes struck shortly before 9am (the start of the regular work day) and after which, at least an hour passed before the towers collapsed. Therefore, A)the buildings were not filled to full capacity, and B) Workers had an entire hour to completely evacuate the building. The most deaths occurred in the first tower whereby the plane struck dead center on the 94th (out of 110) floor and destroyed the entire core (thereby destroying all 4 emergency exits). Therefore, all workers above had no chance in evacuating resulting in 1500-2000 deaths. The second tower had only around 500 deaths and this is for several reasons: After the first plane struck, the second tower was evacuated as well. Keep in mind that the second plane struck 20 minutes later while the second building was very nearly evacuated. Secondly, the plane struck off-center and therefore the core was NOT completely destroyed and as such, one out of 4 emergency stairs were accessible to people to escape. Therefore, despite the fact that the attack was a complete surprise a combination of factors ranging from the time frame of the attacks to the physical location fo the strikes helped to limit the number of casualties. The full FEMA report on the attack is here if you want to look into it in-dpeth:

http://www.fema.gov/library/wtcstudy.shtm

Ok, well I hope I addressed your questions or doubts christos. Cheers.

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Originally posted by Teknoscaper. We're both proud countries, but I can safely say Australia is the humbled country of the 2.

Not quite sure it's very humbleing to brag about being humble but I get your point

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Originally posted by occrider Not quite sure it's very humbleing to brag about being humble but I get your point

still creating that fantasy are we?

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One thing to come out of the collapses of the towers according to my proffesor in Structural Engineering was that if the buildings had been in Australia they never would have fallen down!!!!

In America the central core of the building does not need to be completely composed of concrete, and as such in almost all buildings is plaster, with just a few pillers of concrete - it was this reason that many people who became trapped in elevators in the towers were able to escape by punching holes in the elevator shafts and climbing out. In australia the central core, by law, must be completely made of concrete, rather then just individula pillers. Therefore if the attack had been in aus, the people in the elevator shafts would have been trapped but the entire building would not have fallen down.

Just an interesting fact i thought id bring up..... continue the flame war please.....

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Originally posted by occrider Actual thought and statistics

Good work occrider, put the pipe down christos.

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Originally posted by Teknoscaper. still creating that fantasy are we?

What fantasy are you talking about? I'm merely commenting on that one particular aspect of his post that I thought was rather humorous given the definition of the word.

hum·ble ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hmbl)
adj. hum·bler, hum·blest
-Marked by meekness or modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit; not arrogant or prideful.
-Showing deferential or submissive respect: a humble apology.
-Low in rank, quality, or station; unpretentious or lowly: a humble cottage.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=humble

It is an oxymoron to claim "greater" humbleness by the mere definition of the word. By establishing superiority with respect to that adjective you negate the character that particular adjective is trying to impart. Example: We're both pretty cool people, but I am more modest than you are.

Sorry if you're still trying to apply the context of a "fued" to my post when I stated from the very beginning that that was not my intention.

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Originally posted by occrider What fantasy are you talking about? I'm merely commenting on that one particular aspect of his post that I thought was rather humorous given the definition of the word. hum·ble ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hmbl) adj. hum·bler, hum·blest -Marked by meekness or modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit; not arrogant or prideful. -Showing deferential or submissive respect: a humble apology. -Low in rank, quality, or station; unpretentious or lowly: a humble cottage. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=humble It is an oxymoron to claim "greater" humbleness by the mere definition of the word. By establishing superiority with respect to that adjective you negate the character that particular adjective is trying to impart. Example: We're both pretty cool people, but I am more modest than you are. Sorry if you're still trying to apply the context of a "fued" to my post when I stated from the very beginning that that was not my intention.

ahem... can someone say hypocrite?

i'm not pointing any fingers here but its pretty obvious that someone here is

*cough*

Oxymoron yes, but how else does the English language allow for its use in that context?

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Originally posted by lethal One thing to come out of the collapses of the towers according to my proffesor in Structural Engineering was that if the buildings had been in Australia they never would have fallen down!!!! In America the central core of the building does not need to be completely composed of concrete, and as such in almost all buildings is plaster, with just a few pillers of concrete - it was this reason that many people who became trapped in elevators in the towers were able to escape by punching holes in the elevator shafts and climbing out. In australia the central core, by law, must be completely made of concrete, rather then just individula pillers. Therefore if the attack had been in aus, the people in the elevator shafts would have been trapped but the entire building would not have fallen down. Just an interesting fact i thought id bring up..... continue the flame war please.....

True! Your professor is a smart guy. The WTC was wonderfully designed to withstand fire, but it was poorly designed to withstand the impact of a 767 sized jet going at the speeds it was flying at and THEN fire. Assides from the initial structural damage the impact of the jets caused, the most significant damage was the fact that the shock of the impact completely stripped the strucutre of its fire retardant material. This resulted in the failure of the steel structural integrity of the building. But yes, the dry wall material of the central core hindered people from escaping when they blocked the escape stairwells.

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Originally posted by -=M=- ahem... can someone say hypocrite? i'm not pointing any fingers here but its pretty obvious that someone here is *cough*

Was I claiming to be more humble? Did I ever say as such?

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