Get a vinyl record and play it on a rane mixer. than listen to the same song on a cd. 10 time out of 10 you will say it sounds the same or better on vinyl. I prefer vinyl becuase on GOOd mixers you can tweak the highs and those massive builds to add dynamic effect, do this on a cd and the high feq. isnt "loud" enough. I had a denon and a pioneer mixer and the sound quality was crap compared to my new MP 44 Rane Mixer. Especially the pioneer mixer.
If you have sh!tty cartidages or worse a sh!tty mixer than no sh!t a cd will sound better. A cd already has been setup for someone to just play out. WHEN YOU ARE a DJ you need to improve the sound quality via the mixer ( you shouldnt tell when a cds playing or vinyl), obviously alot of you are not dj's or not good ones ( hehe). If the record has pops and cracks than you have dirty records and should clean them. Clean records should not produce any cracks or pops. Try listening to vinyl on a professional set up and listen to the sound. I bet 98% of the people here who claim cds are the best NEVER have a) listened a vinyl record on a pro setup. b) listen to it but did not tweak the channels c) have sh!ty DJ gear d) just bought cd decks and wants to convince himself that he/she should only buy cds in the future and not invest in wax.
Like I said before they are both are good. But limiting yourself to one medium is hazardous to your dj health.
someone mention that sasha talked about bringing in a computer to mix for him and stuff along those line. You must have read the same article I did from DJ Mag but I think you didnt read it correctly.
Sasha said that he belives that a DJ now needs to do more than beatmatch. He said " the crowd already expects a dj to come up to the booth and give them smooth transitions .etc." "I beleive that a DJ should do more and thats why I like to do live remixes while I am in the booth/" " With todays technology I envision dj's being able to create and reedit tracks live via computers etc."
Basically Sasha said that technology can help djs be more creative not lazy. Secondly I dont care what program you have , there is nothing in the market that can beatmatch a record for you. Even the best beatcounters can only count beats when only beats are represent . Set a beatcounter on when there is synth lines or other sh!t going on and you get crazy readings. Unless you want to have boring mxes and mix in and out of records and complete solid beats ( than why get a beatcounter anyways).
finally all big or small djs use technology to improve their sets, not to make mixing easier for them. They have alreadymastered the basics and now are using technology to be a step ahead of the others. No one uses beat counters or mixing software. Sasha uses his ears to mix BUT uses computers to remix live. BIG difference. Paul Van Dyk uses his ears BUT uses final scratch becuase he does alot of re-edits on songs and stores them on a computer. But guess what he obviously like the feel of vinyl becuase why would he uses final scratch than? Why not just use a cd or computer program.
Last comment....
Unless your a DJ you shouldn't comment on this at all. you need to be a real DJ not someone who sits in his room with some MP3's and a DJ computer program you downloaded from the web Like I said if you only dj on cds and never tired vinyl than you have no basis for a debate.Save your money buy good gear than tell the world the truth..which than is ..."its the music stupid... not the medium"
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Aug-12-2004 10:50
noikeee
dubstep convert
Registered: Apr 2002
Location: lost and wandering looking for directions.
well, any source should sound good as is, not "tweaked", tracks come already mastered for that. i'll admit not to being close to being a dj, and having lack of experience with decent vinyl setups, but i still believe the mid-high freqs of cd are more clean and defined than vinyl.
one thing i'd like to be cleared by someone: nowadays when a track is produced by your usual semi-pro producer in his home studio, he records it to cd then sends to the label right? how in hell will the vinyl have more frequencies than cd then, if the source is a cd already?
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Aug-12-2004 11:11
DJ_Hailstone
YELLO!
Registered: Jan 2004
Location: Roznava, Slovakia
quote:
Originally posted by paranoik0
one thing i'd like to be cleared by someone: nowadays when a track is produced by your usual semi-pro producer in his home studio, he records it to cd then sends to the label right? how in hell will the vinyl have more frequencies than cd then, if the source is a cd already?
A MUST READ FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH
the graph on that link makes it look like cd turns all pure sine waves into pure square waves. i mean, they "forgot" to say that 44,100 samples per second is quite a lot.
the question i asked above is still unanswered, imo if it comes from a digital source (which most tracks come from nowadays) there must be no quality improving by converting to analog
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Aug-12-2004 12:01
Glaniskanis
Vadsig Modale Snollen INC
Registered: Jan 2001
Location: The Netherlands
quote:
Originally posted by paranoik0
one thing i'd like to be cleared by someone: nowadays when a track is produced by your usual semi-pro producer in his home studio, he records it to cd then sends to the label right? how in hell will the vinyl have more frequencies than cd then, if the source is a cd already?
Thats a good point...it wont
And even the output files from reason arent a full accurate sound... Reason compresses that by default already a bit
Only sending an original DAT to the pressing plant with the production in its original form would work. Thats not something semi-pro producers can afford tho
BTW Stop already with the vinyl-cd battles... everyone's been over it again and again
Vinyls are merely capable (keyword!) of a better sound. Putting it on a pro sound system wont let anyone hear a difference because a human cannot hear above the certain frequency the vinyl can produce
Furthermore a vinyl wont ever be dust-free... Everytime you use a needle it will lose a bit quality ofcourse.
Obviously you should NEVER tweak the channels to make it sound "better"
The point is that it should sound the way it was mastered
Hence a vinylrip shouldnt be made with tweaked chans
Ofcourse I agree you shouldnt limit yourself to only Vinyl or only CD
Thats just plain stupid... but so is making the assumption that "if the graph shows better results I am able to actually say it sounds better"
Further there is indeed no such thing as a program that can beatmatch... Thats something you still have to do the old fashioned way
ALL MUSIC IS ANOLOGUE AT ITS CREATION. ITS ONLY WHEN THE SOUND IS RECORDED EITHER TO CD OR VINLY THAT THE A CHANGE IN SOUND QUALITY OCCURS.
When music is recorded to a cd a laser writes "waves" ( the waves from the music source) on the cd disc for the laser to latter read. When the laser reads the waves it than tells the cd player/computer/etc. what sound to produce. This is digital sound.
When music is recorded to a vinyl record a machine presses grooves( the waves from the music source) which are latter read by a needle. When the needle passes over the groove it vibrates and creates the music. This is anologue sound.
Anologue sound because it is produced by a needle via the grrooves has a much richer sound quality as present by the hi's and mids'. thus hi's and mid's are crisper.
becuase a needle produces the sound the sound sent to the mixer is richer thus allowing the dj to further tweak each sound channel at his discretion.
than why ever buy cds?
Cds do not have to be cleaner frequently as vinyl since dust can affect the soudn quality of vinyl.
Cd's can last forever while vinyl records when played over and over the grooves begin to get worn out and the sound quality than sounds sh!tty with time.
Its cheaper to produce cds in mass quanties than vinyl.
there are morereasons but the sound quality has been sacrificed in order to attainthese advantages.
Aug-12-2004 12:23
noikeee
dubstep convert
Registered: Apr 2002
Location: lost and wandering looking for directions.
quote:
Originally posted by davepiazza
you fail to understand the reading.
ALL MUSIC IS ANOLOGUE AT ITS CREATION. ITS ONLY WHEN THE SOUND IS RECORDED EITHER TO CD OR VINLY THAT THE A CHANGE IN SOUND QUALITY OCCURS.
it's not that simple. in nowadays' software studios (or wannabe-studios ) the track is firstly rendered to a digital WAV file. there goes the analogue quality
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Aug-12-2004 12:40
Glaniskanis
Vadsig Modale Snollen INC
Registered: Jan 2001
Location: The Netherlands
quote:
Originally posted by davepiazza
you fail to understand the reading.
ALL MUSIC IS ANOLOGUE AT ITS CREATION. ITS ONLY WHEN THE SOUND IS RECORDED EITHER TO CD OR VINLY THAT THE A CHANGE IN SOUND QUALITY OCCURS.
It is analogue at its creation but you forget that MOST new music is made with samples... Samples that have already been altered and thus lost quality (merely talking about EDM btw)
Unless you create every sound yourself its fully analogue. You wont ever have that luxury unless you're a bigtime performer/producer with loads of $$
But as I said before... Vinyls arent lame still, you can only do so much more with new technology than the "old-fashioned" tt's (check out Zabiela to hear what I mean )
quote:
Originally posted by paranoik0
it's not that simple. in nowadays' software studios (or wannabe-studios ) the track is firstly rendered to a digital WAV file. there goes the analogue quality
Shit, made my point before I was done typing my reply
Cd's can last forever while vinyl records when played over and over the grooves begin to get worn out and the sound quality than sounds sh!tty with time.
And how many times (cca) can I use vinyl before the grooves begin worn out?
Aug-12-2004 12:57
Dave Piazza
The Elitist
Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Chicago
DUDE!!
sound is a wavelength. If you were to take any music, sample , anyhting it would be a wavelength. The only differnce than is how the sound(i.e wavelength) is than produced for your ears to hear. Yes I guess when you actually makingthe track on your computer its digital ( when your listening to it on your computer) but thats not the question.
The question was about the sound created or difference between cd vs. vinyl.
teh differnce is that sound is from the wavelength in a cd is created by a laser whilst the sound from vinyl is created from a needle. Large Difference in method and asa result diffence in sound quality.
sound quality-->>> Advantage Vinyl.
Aug-12-2004 13:02
++ EGO ++
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto, ON
Personally I prefer to carry my laptops & a mixer to dj.
Neither cd nor vinyl but; they're very much still alive and no matter how long you stay on the topic-- it comes down to personal preferance.
Like I said if you only dj on cds and never tired vinyl than you have no basis for a debate.Save your money buy good gear than tell the world the truth..which than is ..."its the music stupid... not the medium"
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