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Originally posted by Floorfiller yes maybe we should, but i don't think that is a reality today. it should be something we work towards achieving. if it was...i wouldn't have any problem with gay adoption. Not everyone is as open-minded as us

I dont think youre hearing yourself. You want to make a change but you dont think its possible right now so youre saying too bad? The only reason it wouldnt be possible right now (which I dont think the case is) is if we all take on this "Its too hard" attitude. Im asking people to be proactive. Just dont preach it, act it, or else NOTHING is ever going to change.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie No, I didnt. Besides blood, whats the difference between a family that adopts and a family that gives birth to their children? I see none.

psychological impact on knowing you were abandoned and being raised by a foster family. Blood is thick and runs deep and wide. The familial unit is strong because of it. It keeps you together when most people would say fuck it and walk away. Blood is huge. it has a very large significance.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie I dont think youre hearing yourself. You want to make a change but you dont think its possible right now so youre saying too bad? The only reason it wouldnt be possible right now (which I dont think the case is) is if we all take on this "Its too hard" attitude. Im asking people to be proactive. Just dont preach it, act it, or else NOTHING is ever going to change.

how on earth do you act being a gay couple raising a kid? Or are you saying tolerance? most people dont get the opporunity to do that. It usually doesnt come up in adult conversation. Its the children that do it. And until he has kids, he cant do much.

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Originally posted by Orbax mmhmm If youve seen Kill Bill: Volume II and heard the story about the dying fish that was my point. That someone with no concept of life or death instantly knew that something was wrong when the fish stopped flapping. I was saying that there is a "human instinct" that knows WRONGNESS. Not always exactly WHAT is wrong but that there is wrongness.

I also agree that every person, no matter what culture they are born into, has an inherent "conscience" that knows right from wrong, good from evil.

Whether the person chooses to listen to their conscience is what makes a person good or bad.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic try to put urself in the kid shoes..other than the trouble from the kids which could be brutal..he will learn that kids come from male and female. will check his situation and know that they r not his real parents. that is something hard to live with

Its not hard to live with. I know because I live it every day. People dont understand adoption until they experience it. "Real" parents? Real parents are the two people that raise and nurture the child and help him/her learn and grow.

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Originally posted by Orbax psychological impact on knowing you were abandoned and being raised by a foster family. Blood is thick and runs deep and wide. The familial unit is strong because of it. It keeps you together when most people would say fuck it and walk away. Blood is huge. it has a very large significance.

No of course Im not saying that. Im saying we need to learn acceptance (not tolerance).

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Originally posted by Floorfiller yes maybe we should, but i don't think that is a reality today. it should be something we work towards achieving. if it was...i wouldn't have any problem with gay adoption. Not everyone is as open-minded as us

What's wrong with having a moral compass and ways to live by, especially ones that were embraced by the people that founded this country?

Saying we should "work" toward acheiving a society that accepts homosexuality and gay adoption is ... disturbing. What's next, legalized beastiality and kiddie porn?

The line needs to be drawn here. It should have been many years ago.

It was nice to debate with you all but my posts have to be put on hold seeing as that its my lunch time! Hahaha.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie I dont think youre hearing yourself. You want to make a change but you dont think its possible right now so youre saying too bad? The only reason it wouldnt be possible right now (which I dont think the case is) is if we all take on this "Its too hard" attitude. Im asking people to be proactive. Just dont preach it, act it, or else NOTHING is ever going to change.

ok i see what you're saying. i didn't say that i wasn't supportive of the idea, i just said i don't think the social majority is. we can always attempt to push things along, but it will be at the cost of the kids...not you and me. i think in a generation, things will be a lot different then they are today and a lot of the conversative views that still dominate our society will begin to die out.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller a lot of the conversative views that still dominate our society will begin to die out.

Noooooooo

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i think in a generation, things will be a lot different then they are today and a lot of the conversative views that still dominate our society will begin to die out.

Curious - do you think this is a good thing?