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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Really? Why then if my university performs stem cell research is it no longer eligible for federally funded grants?

As well as mine, one of the nation-wide leaders in stem cell research?

Jesus how stupid can the American's be. I'm a bit miffed really. This made me feel a bit better though:



George Bush and Dick Cheney are enjoying a celebration lunch at a fancy Washington restaurant. Their waitress approaches their table to take their order; she is young and very attractive.

She asks Cheney what he wants, and he replies, "I'll have the heart-healthy salad.”

"Very good, sir," she replies, and turning to Bush she asks, "And what do you want, Mr. President?"

Bush answers, "How about a quickie?"

Taken a back, the waitress slaps him and says, "I'm shocked and disappointed in you. I thought you were committed to high principles and morality. I'm sorry I voted for you." With that, the waitress departed in a huff.

Cheney leans over to Bush, and says, “Mr. President, I believe that's pronounced ‘quiche’

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Originally posted by d0uble h3lix LOL its scary to know that pseudo nationalism has actually made you believe the "ideals" your government claims to uphold. name a country? i can name two: iraq and kuwait. now Xanax, keep in mind this: The United States of America is NOT a truly democratic nation. had enough time for that to sink in yet? no? k ill wait a bit more... . . . ...ready? good. Now, if you've been invading other nations for their own good and to protect their rights and freedoms, why is that almost every country you've had an occupation of or have waged war in has some resonating or deep hatred for the states? your nation has a terrible record for during and post-war occupation, usually causing more damage during, and leaving a shitstorm behind you. keep in mind that much of the wars youve had have been a result of your own actions. Sadam and Osama were once your allies, but you fucked with them, they hit back at what you held dear, and you went to wage war in their countries with almost a total lack of respect for the civilian populace. simply put, your troops in the past and present tend to terrorize the civilian population of foreign occupied nations. Have you noticed that almost infinitely lesser heat has been directed towards the Brits and their "softly, softly" approach? they have taken the time and measures to ensure their military actions target only the enemy, with much less civilian casualties. Also, the cities which they occupy have not been excessively dangerous, as the respect and protection they show for the populace is returned with respect and gratification, not with terror and hatred. About your statement with regards to Russia and China...w..t..f? your government and its civilians seem to be drunk with stupidity with concerns to your percieved power. Your nuclear stockpile means shit. While Russia presently has a smaller arsenal, much of it you can't track with confidence, as they're mobile ICBM launchers (including subs). China is in the same boat (pun intended), but they're more into aerial-based nuclear strikes, and due to the size and effectiveness of their airforce, a aerial-directed nuclear strike poses a serious threat to you. Yes, you are right, you have the most technologically advanced military in the world overall, but many beat your level of technology in single areas, and this is where your superiority ends. Under next to no circumstances could your country expect to win an air or land war against Russia or China (we won't even consider the possibility of them allying to remove a common foe) not only in sheer numbers are you heavily outnumbered by both, but your military hasn't fought a professional armed force since world war 2. Both the Russians and the Chinese training on par with your military and are used to going it alone, they do not fight as part of a coalition...another thing your military has become accustomed to. shit, i meant to keep this short, but your statements pissed me off to a certain degree, so i had to write this..newayz im done with this.

My statement was that the United States does not invade countries to take their national resources. I challenge you to make a case that we invaded Kuwait and Iraq to steal their national resources. You cannot because it is not true.

And your statement about the US military having "almost a total lack of respect for the civilian populace" is completely ignorant. The US military has taken great pains to spare civilian casualties to the point that we avoid attacking targets. In WW2 populated areas were carpet bombed in an attempt to break the will of the people. The US now uses GPS guided bombs to be as sure as is reasonable to prevent any civilian targets from being struck. It is not the fault of our military that spineless dictators and terrorists hide like cowards among civilians which sometimes causes civilian casulties.

And our nuclear stockpile does mean shit. We have enough nukes to destroy the world many times over. Russia and China know this also, and because of that they will not use their nuclear weapons. What the hell good is winning a war if the whole world is destroyed in the process?

And I believe that the US conventional forces can match up quite well with that of China and Russia. Actually, China is the only real threat and that is mostly due to their massive population.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence You see hate. I see hurt. Interesting, hmmm?

That may be, but there are other ways of expressing it, than to generalize and call a group of people Nazi's. That's very extremist to me. I voted Bush and I stand behind my vote. I don't judge anyone for voting for Kerry and don't feel I should be judged for my vote. I am getting really sick of people and their judgements. Apparently I'm not the only one who voted for Bush. I feel bad for those of you the hate him and feel screwed by him winning, but them's the breaks. Move forward and live your life the best you can given your circumstances. The man does have power, but that power is limited. I don't think he ruined everything and made everyone's lives so horrible. And if you really hate him and his policies so much, leave the country. Otherwise move on and stfu (that's not steered at those of you discussing things rationally, it's for the extremist's generalizing and being, IMO, assholes).

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer That may be, but there are other ways of expressing it, than to generalize and call a group of people Nazi's. That's very extremist to me. I voted Bush and I stand behind my vote. I don't judge anyone for voting for Kerry and don't feel I should be judged for my vote. I am getting really sick of people and their judgements. Apparently I'm not the only one who voted for Bush. I feel bad for those of you the hate him and feel screwed by him winning, but them's the breaks. Move forward and live your life the best you can given your circumstances. The man does have power, but that power is limited. I don't think he ruined everything and made everyone's lives so horrible. And if you really hate him and his policies so much, leave the country. Otherwise move on and stfu (that's not steered at those of you discussing things rationally, it's for the extremist's generalizing and being, IMO, assholes).

Powerful statement. Beautifully put.

What are you guys talking about?

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Originally posted by placebo What are you guys talking about?

orgasms.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence orgasms.

Orgasms rock!

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer Orgasms rock!

I'll second that.

OMGHI2U!!1

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Originally posted by placebo What are you guys talking about?

LOL!!!!!!

All I see in this post is a Ferengi popping into a huge discussion with that look on his face and asking, "What are you guys talking about?". Made my day even more pleasent.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer That may be, but there are other ways of expressing it, than to generalize and call a group of people Nazi's. That's very extremist to me. I voted Bush and I stand behind my vote. I don't judge anyone for voting for Kerry and don't feel I should be judged for my vote. I am getting really sick of people and their judgements. Apparently I'm not the only one who voted for Bush. I feel bad for those of you the hate him and feel screwed by him winning, but them's the breaks. Move forward and live your life the best you can given your circumstances. The man does have power, but that power is limited. I don't think he ruined everything and made everyone's lives so horrible. And if you really hate him and his policies so much, leave the country. Otherwise move on and stfu (that's not steered at those of you discussing things rationally, it's for the extremist's generalizing and being, IMO, assholes).

People do over generalize when they say OMG I HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF THE USA! Now that bush has been re-elected.
With Bush in office in his first period. My dad's business sales are climbing back up. I can go to the school i want and train for what i want to do. I can awlk around town knowing i am safe, except from other drivers on the road. I can live my life as i always have. Taxes may be different, gas and oik asre still relatively cheap. And Apple stock has done nothing but go up since october and it is up 2.5 points today even with the news of the election. Also note that when the other day that it was expected that kerry would winthe election, the stock market showed severe implications and dropped 100 points in a very short time.

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