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Originally posted by X RichieRich X you just summed up what armin and markus are doing. they are promoting their sound. so if i dont like what you play, i could have the same argument against you correct?

Sure.

Point being, that there is a general separation in the opinions of experienced listeners and newer listeners. That's very telling.

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Originally posted by memusa The label seems appropriate because US producers are the ones who pretty much put a stamp and set a mark in this sound.

I wouldn't necessarily say that. What about these producers/dj's from the US?

Bill Hamel
Thomas Penton
Ben Camp
Steve Porter
Chris Fortier
Neil Kolo
Randall Jones & The Tigerhook Corp.
Pat Foosheen
Blackwatch
Medway
D:Fuse
Jimmy van M
Saeed & Palash

etc...

I hardly think the above producers fall into the same category of Markus Schulz and Gabriel & Dresden. So, the newly formed genre name of "McProg" should stand, while the term "American Progressive" would be a disgrace to the decent US producers like above in the context of this thread.

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^ Exactly, hence why McProg works.

Maybe it should we should call it
'Younger Listeners Semi Commercial Build Up/Breakdown Synthesized House'



or McProg.

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 There is a lot of good and original progressive stuff coming out. Well, I guess, it is my unoriginal taste.

Compared with, say, 2000 or 2001? Compared with the progressive trance heydey of Global Underground? I have to disagree.

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Speaking of marketization, without a little bit of it, trance would be as popular as gabber. Elitist make it sound like it is almost as degradively popular as hip-hop in many places. If it was overly marketed, I would have a lot more friends that like this music.

This is true, but it comes at the trade-off of making the genre more widely marketable. This negatively impacts the quality of work in most cases.

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What is the point to post those arguments over and over and over and over again? To annoy others?

To attempt to make change, because outside of record purchases and self-production (which I'm working towards), there's no other way to make our opinions heard.

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listen to what you like and don't say that others suck, because they like "mcprog".

I'm not saying they suck. I'm saying they often do not know what they're talking about in the wider context of trance over the past.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue I hardly think the above producers fall into the same category of Markus Schulz and Gabriel & Dresden. So, the newly formed genre name of "McProg" should stand, while the term "American Progressive" would be a disgrace to the decent US producers like above in the context of this thread.

Actually that's a really good point.

Alternatively you might say Miami Progressive?

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Originally posted by Cobalt Actually that's a really good point. Alternatively you might say Miami Progressive?

Miami Progressive might be a good name, Better then the derogatory name that is McProg, Which I think sounds more like an insult rather then a genre name, Thats just a name that some stupid idiot came up.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Compared with, say, 2000 or 2001? Compared with the progressive trance heydey of Global Underground? I have to disagree.

It is a matter of opinion. I did listen to older stuff. I love it. However, I love the new stuff as well. To be honest I don't see the quality gap that you are trying to prove here.

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This is true, but it comes at the trade-off of making the genre more widely marketable. This negatively impacts the quality of work in most cases.

Especially true with the mainsteam stuff. In my opinion does not apply to current progressive. At all.

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To attempt to make change, because outside of record purchases and self-production (which I'm working towards), there's no other way to make our opinions heard.

People can make their point in non-childish and mature way. Instead of saying "you mcproggers suck and your taste of music sucks harder than jenna jameson" (or whatever), state that you don't like it and respect the opinion of others. It does not apply to you Cobalt, since you lead an intelligent debate. I am talking about others in this horrid thread. Instead of arousing anger and futher hatred toward elitists, it may actually spawn an interest to what that person listens to.

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I'm not saying they suck.

You are not the one who says they suck. Others did, as applicable in this thread.

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I'm saying they often do not know what they're talking about in the wider context of trance over the past.

Maybe they don't, but telling them that they have a horrid taste will not change things for better.

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There still is oldstyle prog trance being made that has much higher production values than its old parent - and its not Florida House.
Listen to Trafik....listen to all the suff being released on GU ATM...theres heaps more, but yeah go find it, stuff like Pryda....its there.

Okay im done with this thread.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Sure. Point being, that there is a general separation in the opinions of experienced listeners and newer listeners. That's very telling.

so you are saying that anyone who happens to enjoy ASOT/GDJB is an unexperienced listener?

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Originally posted by X RichieRich X so you are saying that anyone who happens to enjoy ASOT/GDJB is an unexperienced listener?

No. That would be an unfair an incorrect generalization. But it is certainly true that many unexperienced listeners enjoy those particular shows, while many older listeners do not. These are not centrally planned opinions, they are based on experience.

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Originally posted by Cobalt No. That would be an unfair an incorrect generalization. But it is certainly true that many unexperienced listeners enjoy those particular shows, while many older listeners do not. These are not centrally planned opinions, they are based on experience.

I'm an experience listener, And I enjoyed the shows very much, I been listening to trance, techno and house music since 92.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue I wouldn't necessarily say that. What about these producers/dj's from the US? Bill Hamel Thomas Penton Ben Camp Steve Porter Chris Fortier Neil Kolo Randall Jones & The Tigerhook Corp. Pat Foosheen Blackwatch Medway D:Fuse Jimmy van M Saeed & Palash etc... I hardly think the above producers fall into the same category of Markus Schulz and Gabriel & Dresden. So, the newly formed genre name of "McProg" should stand, while the term "American Progressive" would be a disgrace to the decent US producers like above in the context of this thread.

Yeah but that's like saying all trance from Holland falls under the dutch trance genre, which it doesn't and people recognize that. American progressive is just a general term I believe fits well.

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