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Originally posted by Trancer-X Being confined to an office is your idea of intelligent? No thanks. That sounds more like voluntary servitude to me. I'd rather have my freedom.

So people who are corporate don;t have freedom?

I know many people who work for the top investment firms in the country and have plenty of freedom.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Happiness is way more important to me than social clout, political domination, worldly possessions, etc. Happiness is something that neither money nor power can buy. If you're looking to find happiness through material means, then you're looking in the wrong place!

A classic post by someone who has not lived the real world yet. How old are you? I am assuming you are in between 18-24, hardly old enough to understand the REAL world.

You can read all you want about life, philosophy, psychology, politics, religion etc, but when the day comes when you are COMPLETLEY independent with NO ONE to help you if the shit hits the fan, i am talking when mom and dad arent alive and you have LITERALLY not one person to bail you out, then and only then can you tell me money can;t buy happiness.

I had a friend like you once about 10 years ago...he used to preach to me everyday that money does not bring happiness...so i asked him to meet me in Riverside Park (Upper West Side of Manhattan)...we met at around 11pm and it was like 25 degrees out...bitter cold with a wind that could blow you to your knees...Anyway...we walked into the park where i knew a few homeless guys (because i used to write grafitti and would pass those guys to hit a certain wall..so i saw them alot and built up a small friendship)...So we are deep into Riverside park next to the Amtrak train line and we creep down a small hill and u could smell the urine that these homeless guys had all over them, because thats what they do...they pee on themselves to keep warm in the winter....anyway to make a long story short...this homelss guy named Jasper that i know was smoking a cigarette...he was homeless because he owned a moving company but things happened and he ended up losing his business and had no other choice but to go to the streets.....we all started to tlak and i asked point blank...does money make people happy....my friend said NO!!!!!...Jasper said "are you fucking serious?"

My friend insulted Jasper to the point of disgust...that this young kid who has NEVER lived the real world, never experienced ANY sort of REAL lose, a kid who never knew the REAL harsh relaity fo world had the audacity to say money doesnt buy happiness...

SO next time you say such ABSURD remarks...do yourself a favor...take a walk and find a homeless guy....and compare what you have to what he has...and ask yourself if you would trade worlds...and then when u realize u would not ask yourself what the fundamental difference between the 2 of you is...and that my friend will be one thing...MONEY!!!...

Grow up....the world is not as humanistic as you think...it is harsh and cruel...when u get older u will understand...if you ever come to the decision if you should buy food or pay your phone bill...if you ever wondered what it felt like to know you have NO place to sleep at night...that you might very well be homeless tomorrow...that no one will be there for you...then come at me with such utter trash...because my friend..i HAVE been there...i have been 1 step away from being homeless...and let me tell u...the last thing i was, was happy....

People that live in cushy cookie cutter towns say such nonsense...go to the ghettos, go to trailer parks, go to homeless shelters, go to the salvation army, go to jails, go to unemployment offices, go to the homeless men, go to the people who cant pay their bills, go to people who cant feed their kids, go to people who cant cloth their kids, go to people starving in Africa and Asia, go to people who are dying because they cant afford health care, go to the people living in studio apartments int he South Bronx wearing earplugs while they sleep so that roaches cant get in their ears and then come tlak to me about money doesnt bring happiness...i dispise young kids liek yourself who never lived once in the real world and you are a slap in the face to all the people i mentioned above whose problems would be solved if they had just a little more money...you arrogant prick.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X The most miserable people that I know are also rich beyond most people's wildest dreams.

]You dont know what misery is....you havent lived long enough.

Trancer-X

What you said really bothered me, when you said money does not buy happiness!

I grew up in NYC to a family of wealth but I going to public school in Manhattan I had many friends who were dirt poor. Friends who never saw their parents because their parents had to work 3 jobs just to buy food and pay the rent. Friends who had to go straight from school and work hard labor right after school up until 11pm at night then do their homework and get to bed at 2am in the morning only to have to get up at 5am to take care of their younger sister/brother because their parents were not there. Friends who wore cloths with holes in them and went through the day eating only Saltines, 2 twenty five cent juices and a bologna sandwich (which consisted of 1 piece of meat and 1 piece of bread rolled up) because they could not afford anything else. Friends who had no video games, no computers, no CDs, no toys, no headphones, no cars, no cloths, no nights out to unwind NOTHING..Not a damn thing. Friends that had no health insurance, never went to the dentist, hadn’t been to the doctor for a physical in years, couldn’t afford glasses, medicine, gloves in the winter and walked in a pair of used Pumas with holes in the soles in the snow they got from their uncle that is in jail (who went to jail because he stole to feed his own kids). Friends that practically raised their siblings, never got a birthday or Christmas present, had to cut their own hair with scissors they stole from art class. Friends that had to share the same bath water with their mother, brothers and sisters because there wasn’t enough hot water, so their baths consisted of getting in for 2 minutes then getting out. Friends that had to steal toilet paper from school and could only shit in a toilet at the Fang’s Chinese take out restaurant on the corner because their plumbing in their apartment didn’t always work. Friends who had to risk dieing, getting shot, getting stabbed or be beaten up by racist cops as they walked from school to work to home in Washington Heights. Friends who never knew what it was like to go to a club, a bar or a party because they had to work JUST to eat.

Then there is me…I came from a good background and never had to worry about such things. But there was a point in my life when I was all alone and saw what the world is made of. My father moved to the Chicago and I lived with my mother who was dirt poor (my father made the corporate cash)…anyway my mother ended up getting evicted from our apartment and I had no where to go. My sisters could not take me in, my brother had no room, my father and I were not speaking and all my friends could barely help themselves, my mother was a lost cause and I had $40 in my pocket. I had 24 hours to vacate the premises and could only take what I could carry at the age of 19. I wore 3 sets of cloths at one time and had 2 duffle bags..i had to leave everything that would not fit behind for the landlord to either throw away or keep for himself. So here I was at 19…I was working but not making much…. I had 2 duffle bags and the clothes on my back.i walked out of my building and looked both ways and broke down…I had NO WHERE TO GO and NO ONE TO GO TO!!!!

So I walked the streets for a few hours and decided I would check out a shelter (since it was cold out)…So I go this shelter on 34th street and they turn me away because they were full, so I went uptown a little to 43rd street and got the same bullshit…I said fuck it and walked the streets for the night…finally falling asleep at 6am while people are heading to work…

Anyway to make my story short…. I made it out alright I ended up going in with my girlfriends family which I NEVER thought they would let me…but on MY OWN…. I now own my own business and am happy….

But let me tell you something, my young and naïve friend, when the shit hits the fan and you find you have nowhere to go and no one to help you and you have nothing in your pockets and are faced with living on the streets with absolutely no hope what so ever…then and only then come at me with money doesn’t buy happiness…

You are an absolute smack in the face to all the people that struggle in this world…as you sit behind your thousand dollar computer, your CD/MP3/Vinyl collection, your trendy cloths, your car, your parents, and the countless other things you take for granted…. you have not lived the real world…you philosophize about the ways of the world and the ways of people yet you have never experienced life….all the books and all the internet sites you visit can NEVER teach you that….so before you preach to me with your self righteous condescending views, walk a day in some of my friends shoes and not sit behind your computer screen in your parents house with the heat on and your mommy cooking you dinner and still wiping your ass!

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra Oh yeah and Bush ofcourse, as i said, wrote the report himself and knew it to be true while Kerry is just a innocent Navy fag...right your point is very plausible.

More plausible than yours by a long shot. You're implying that Bush was oblivious to any exaggeration of the existence of WMDs in Iraq. I think you should stick to the "he lied" story because that way he comes off less stupid. It would have been quite convenient of him to double check his sources if he wasn't so sure don't you think.

Seeing how lying about a blowjob can stir up the Republicans to almost impeach a president, I think misleading the entire world about a costly, needless and destructive war warrants an outright sacking.

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Originally posted by razmataz More plausible than yours by a long shot. You're implying that Bush was oblivious to any exaggeration of the existence of WMDs in Iraq. I think you should stick to the "he lied" story because that way he comes off less stupid. It would have been quite convenient of him to double check his sources if he wasn't so sure don't you think. Seeing how lying about a blowjob can stir up the Republicans to almost impeach a president, I think misleading the entire world about a costly, needless and destructive war warrants an outright sacking.

Excellent point...allways amazes me how americans can be so conservative as regards sex..in the mainstream media..mainstream television stations..mainstream newspapers..etc
Just look at the janet jackson waredrobe malfunction last year.
Yet the majority of americans will back military action if their government says thats what is needed,and have no moral qualms about that decision,even if it results in tens of thousands of deaths.

But when it comes to a blowjob..well hold on a second here this aint right lets impeach the president..but when it comes to blowing the f*ck out of other countries..morally thats ok.

Puzzling to say the least..

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Originally posted by zig But when it comes to a blowjob..well hold on a second here this aint right lets impeach the president..but when it comes to blowing the f*ck out of other countries..morally thats ok. Puzzling to say the least..

I don't think it was so much about a blowjob in the Oval Office as it was about the fact that the man calmly looked straight into a video camera, while under oath, and blatantly lied to every single person watching TV.

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Originally posted by Shakka I don't think it was so much about a blowjob in the Oval Office as it was about the fact that the man calmly looked straight into a video camera, while under oath, and blatantly lied to every single person watching TV.

Then why did they spend so much money on it before he ever got on TV? The Lewinsky thing had absolutely nothing to do with Whitewater in the first place. I'd recommend watching the Hunting of the President, which is admittedly biased in its viewpoint, but the facts are dead on and David Brock, who is featured in it, was on the front lines on the Republican side at that time.

Also, if it wasn't about simply getting Bill Clinton or about sex and was in fact about him lying on TV to every person watching, I'm expecting impeachment hearings to start first thing Monday morning, because the Bush administration said without a doubt weapons of mass destruction existed. That's a clear lie, because they obviously had no proof of that when they said it, otherwise we would have not issued a report saying none existed. Or else are we just claiming he rushed to judgment without the facts? Well why wouldn't he still get kicked out of office since the GOP wants Dan Rather out for that? After all, I recall some forged documents being used in the State of the Union address regarding nonexistent uranium purchases. But oh well, only 100,000+ Iraqis died as well as a still growing number of our own troops.

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you guys condemn Bush...how about Clinton

Aug 20, Lewinsky testifies before grand jury so Clinton bombed Afghanistan and Sudan, severely damaging a camel and Sudanese pharmaceutical factory to get attention off him.

Clinton...a man who let terrorism get away with so much and the man who did zip to prevent 9.11...i detest the man.

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Originally posted by wolverine16 Also, if it wasn't about simply getting Bill Clinton or about sex and was in fact about him lying on TV to every person watching, I'm expecting impeachment hearings to start first thing Monday morning, because the Bush administration said without a doubt weapons of mass destruction existed. That's a clear lie, because they obviously had no proof of that when they said it, otherwise we would have not issued a report saying none existed.

Bush acted on the same global intelligence that everyone else was looking at. This isn't some isolated act of Bush you're talking about, rather a major intelligence failure, that was not Bush's fault by any stretch. He didn't lie anymore than John Kerry, Bill Clinton, or even Jacques Chirac. You'll have to find another reason to impeach him. Lest we forget that it was official U.S. policy for regime change in Iraq going back to 1998. Furthermore lest we forget this little jewel:
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THE PRESIDENT: On Wednesday, I ordered our Armed Forces to strike military and strategic targets in Iraq. They were joined by British forces. That operation is now complete, in accordance with our 70-hour plan. My national security team has just briefed me on the results. They are preliminary, but let me say just a few words about why we acted, what we have achieved, and where we want to go. We began with this basic proposition: Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to develop nuclear arms, poison gas, biological weapons, or the means to deliver them. He has used such weapons before against soldiers and civilians, including his own people. We have no doubt that if left unchecked he would do so again. Saddam must not be prepared to defy the will -- be permitted -- excuse me -- to defy the will of the international community. Without a firm response he would have been emboldened to do that again and again. For seven and a half years now, the United Nations weapons inspectors have done a truly remarkable job, in forcing Saddam to disclose and destroy weapons and missiles he insisted he did not have. But over the past year, Saddam has repeatedly sought to cripple the inspections system. Each time, through intensive diplomatic efforts backed by the threat of military action, Saddam has backed down. When he did so last month, I made it absolutely clear that if he did not give UNSCOM full cooperation this time, we would act swiftly and without further delay. For three weeks, the inspectors tested Saddam's commitment to cooperate. They repeatedly ran into roadblocks and restrictions, some of them new. As their Chairman, Richard Butler, concluded in his report to the United Nations on Tuesday, the inspectors no longer were able to do their job. So far as I was concerned, Saddam's days of cheat and retreat were over. Our objectives in this military action were clear: to degrade Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program and related delivery systems, as well as his capacity to attack his neighbors. It will take some time to make a detailed assessment of our operation, but based on the briefing I've just received, I am confident we have achieved our mission. We have inflicted significant damage on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction programs, on the command structures that direct and protect that capability, and on his military and security infrastructure. In a short while, Secretary Cohen and General Shelton will give you a more detailed analysis from the Pentagon. So long as Saddam remains in power he will remain a threat to his people, his region and the world. With our allies, we must pursue a strategy to contain him and to constrain his weapons of mass destruction program, while working toward the day Iraq has a government willing to live at peace with its people and with its neighbors. Let me describe the elements of that strategy going forward. First, we will maintain a strong military presence in the area, and we will remain ready to use it if Saddam tries to rebuild his weapons of mass destruction, strikes out at his neighbors, challenges allied aircraft, or moves against the Kurds. We also will continue to enforce no-fly zones in the North, and from the southern suburbs of Baghdad to the Kuwaiti border. Second, we will sustain what have been among the most extensive sanctions in U.N. history. To date, they have cost Saddam more than $120 billion, resources that otherwise would have gone toward rebuilding his military. At the same time, we will support a continuation of the oil-for-food program, which generates more than $10 billion a year for food, medicine and other critical humanitarian supplies for the Iraqi people. We will insist that Iraq's oil be used for food, not tanks. Third, we would welcome the return of UNSCOM and the International Atomic Energy Agency back into Iraq to pursue their mandate from the United Nations -- provided that Iraq first takes concrete, affirmative and demonstrable actions to show that it will fully cooperate with the inspectors. But if UNSCOM is not allowed to resume its work on a regular basis, we will remain vigilant and prepared to use force if we see that Iraq is rebuilding its weapons programs. Now, over the long-term the best way to end the threat that Saddam poses to his own people in the region is for Iraq to have a different government. We will intensify our engagement with the Iraqi opposition groups, prudently and effectively. We will work with Radio Free Iraq, to help news and information flow freely to the country. And we will stand ready to help a new leadership in Baghdad that abides by its international commitments and respects the rights of its own people. We hope it will return Iraq to its rightful place in the community of nations. Let me say in closing again how terribly proud I am of our men and women in uniform. Once again, they have done a difficult job with skill, dedication and determination. I also want to say that I am very proud of our national security team. I want to thank Secretary Cohen and General Shelton; I want to thank Secretary Albright and Sandy Berger. The Vice President and I have relied on them very heavily -- they have performed with extraordinary ability and restraint, as well as effectiveness. I am very, very grateful for the way this operation was planned and executed. But again, foremost, I want to give my thanks to our men and women in uniform. We are waiting for the last planes to come home, and praying that we'll be able to tell you tomorrow that every last one of them has returned home safely. Thank you very much.

And Tiesto is right. Clinton could've had Bin Laden on a silver platter, but chose not to--which would've prevented any of our discussions and arguments from ever happening in the first place.
So tell me again, what exactly Bush did wrong other than not being a liberal?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 you guys condemn Bush...how about Clinton Aug 20, Lewinsky testifies before grand jury so Clinton bombed Afghanistan and Sudan, severely damaging a camel and Sudanese pharmaceutical factory to get attention off him. Clinton...a man who let terrorism get away with so much and the man who did zip to prevent 9.11...i detest the man.

Clinton is by no means my hero, I detest a number of things he did, including bombing that factory, as well as the passage of NAFTA. But that doesn't change that he was impeached solely on partisan reasons.
Nevertheless, his administration actually did take steps against terrorism. They foiled the terrorist attack set for Seattle on New Years 2000, his administration held regular cabinet meetings regarding terrorism during his 2nd term and the name "Homeland Security" comes from a commission set up by Bill Clinton, which included Gary Hart, that reported its findings to the Bush administration once it completed its work near the beginning of his term, which outlined how to make the country safer from terrorist attacks. Furthermore, the other site that we went after besides the innocent Sudanese factory was an Al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, but the reaction was "WAG THE DOG!" If he had invaded Afghanistan, wouldn't people have continued to claim that?

I don't think 9/11 is Clinton or Bush's fault, only religious extremists. I blame Bush for Iraq though, because it was knowingly flawed and misrepresented to the American people.

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Originally posted by wolverine16 I'm expecting impeachment hearings to start first thing Monday morning, because the Bush administration said without a doubt weapons of mass destruction existed. That's a clear lie, because they obviously had no proof of that when they said it, otherwise we would have not issued a report saying none existed. Or else are we just claiming he rushed to judgment without the facts? Well why wouldn't he still get kicked out of office since the GOP wants Dan Rather out for that? After all, I recall some forged documents being used in the State of the Union address regarding nonexistent uranium purchases. But oh well, only 100,000+ Iraqis died as well as a still growing number of our own troops.

the uranium purchase was a fact.
Al Gore was convinced WMD's existed
Clinton lied under oath to Congress.

get your facts straight.

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Originally posted by Shakka I don't think it was so much about a blowjob in the Oval Office as it was about the fact that the man calmly looked straight into a video camera, while under oath, and blatantly lied to every single person watching TV.

And how many times has Bush looked into a video camera,while under oath,and blatently lied to every single person watching TV.

You will probably say none...