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Originally posted by djwright not to offend anyone but . . . the bible has been maid into the biggest peice of shit ever. a long time ago some dudes wrote a book . . . long story short the book is right, you are rong, there is only one god (the one our book refers to of corse) and if you say otherwise we made a place just for you

Actually a whole bunch of dudes wrote a whol ebunch of different books some about one God, some included a female Goddess, some had one version of doctrine others had other versions, some had crazy shit aboiut angels and demons etc... then a bunch of important church dudes had a little meeting and decided which parts were going to be official, which parts were apocryphal and which parts were heresy and put all the official parts into what we now know as the bible....

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Originally posted by astroboy Actually a whole bunch of dudes wrote a whol ebunch of different books some about one God, some included a female Goddess, some had one version of doctrine others had other versions, some had crazy shit aboiut angels and demons etc... then a bunch of important church dudes had a little meeting and decided which parts were going to be official, which parts were apocryphal and which parts were heresy and put all the official parts into what we now know as the bible....

yea, its called the canon, the measure or "evaluation" of a book based on "divine inspiration", inspiration by god, the author's credibility, its doctrinal content, and authority. the entire new testament was written by eye-witnesses to jesus's ministry or knew one of the disciples of jesus. example, Luke never met jesus, but he was very well aquainted with the disciples.

yet, with the apocraphe's, there were doctrinal errors, or the author's credibility was in question. for example, the gospel of thomas. the early church fathers really didnt know whether the disciple thomas really wrote this book, also the book contained several questionable things in it to rule it out of canon. there were many fakes, and only unless there was a "without a doubt" knowledge, was the book considered a canon. also, some of the author's never met jesus or his disciples which automatically ruled them out.

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Originally posted by Subey Couple of questions... not to attack Christianity, but to find out what your christian perspective sees. 1) As you are an example. There is a very high correlation between your religion and your immediate environment. If you were born in SumAtRa then you would probably believe in iSLam, if you were born in Punjab you would probably be a Sikh etc. Why do *you* think God wants to be interpreted differently by different people? 2) As you noted earlier. Jesus's big move is to die on the cross "for our sins". Dying on a cross was a popular form of execution back then. For what purpose did all those people's death serve?

well I'll let my g.f "newtotrance" answer that one. Be nice to her...I'll sit in the background, waiting for a chance to....ya know.....crush someone....mwahahaha

Part of the picture that forms in my mind's eye when I try to reconcile all the various manifestations of religion is something like this.

X is the Divine, and a part of that is the engine of creation.

And each religion has been given a piece of the engine, and told "this is divine truth". Which it is.

To continue the analogy then the christian has say the "piston", and the muslim has the "cylinder", and the Jew has the "valve".

The problem obviously, is that each religion has mistaken their "part" as the whole. As a result this causes certain aspects of the truth to be over emphasized, and others to be minimized. As Mace Windu might say, there is no balance.

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Originally posted by Subey The problem obviously, is that each religion has mistaken their "part" as the whole. As a result this causes certain aspects of the truth to be over emphasized, and others to be minimized. As Mace Windu might say, there is no balance.

what if a religion is false? the appeal of a religion is that it always has some aspect of truth to it, but sometimes, they add false things on top of the truth, or totally twist the truth to make it false.

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Perhaps, God is not a neo-Zeus with a white beard sitting on an ivory throne... perhaps, God is what binds the universe, what binds atoms. Maybe, He is the emotions you feel, the air you breathe. Maybe, He is what makes the earth spin, the sun light or the tide pull. Perhaps, He exists in a thought or an action. Maybe, as Jesus said, God exists in a mustard seed and his kingdom is within.

The first rule of teaching is to explain and relate your concepts in a manner which your audience will understand, and that seems to me what He did.

An answer to Subey questions.....

I think that God chose to have different cultures interpret him differently because people understand things different and with the beliefs reflecting the environment this would serve as a way that people could understand and comprehend the message that God was trying to get across to them.

Since death on a cross was so popular back then the deaths that took place at that time served the purpose of martrydom and punishment that showed that the roman law prevailed. If a person was a murderer they would be sentenced to be crucified upon a cross. This would probably serve the purpose of showing that the Emperor was the law. However, I believe in Jesus' case that death upon a cross served the purpose of martrydom. Jesus was the first martyr.

I think that other cultures have molded God into their own perspective upon how they think he is reflected and should be presented.

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Originally posted by d-miurge I can't say that God exist, but I can't say he doesn't exist. So, I'm agnostic.

Man up and pick a side. I can't say santa clause exists, but I can't say he doesn't exist. So I'm agnostic about his existence. Continue ad nauseum with anything ...

And Pascal's Wager doesn't work.

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