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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: they bomb us, then complain about an irrelavant cartoon. i really dont like the middle east.

I doubt that they like you too.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 I doubt that they like you too.

they dont like anybody thats not muslim

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 they dont like anybody thats not muslim

Oh and you're completely certain of that?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Oh and you're completely certain of that?

it was a joke, ass

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Originally posted by InterMilan31 it was a joke, ass

Well it certainly wasn't obvious, especially in todays political climate, especially in this thread, "ass."

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WTF
THIS is London???!

















I'm sure the American flag was thrown in there for good measure...

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Are those pics for real? I can't believe what a bunch of lunatics..

Anyway, shaolin, I suppose we all agree that those pictures are offensive and generalizing and that muslims have the right to be angry about them. I suppose same happens when someone makes mocking pictures of Jesus or jews or whatever. But the thing is that most of them are overreacting about it so fucking much that it's doing them much more harm than good, and it's really difficult to be sympathetic with them. And what is really striking is that the only thing those morons in the pictures do is firmly confirm the stereotypes suggested in the cartoons.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well it certainly wasn't obvious, especially in todays political climate, especially in this thread, "ass."

stfu

and those pictures dont suprise me at all as a person who moved to the Uk for a year last year from NYC I was shocked at the culture difference their was. Yes it was about the same but I felt great tension(ha sounds like star wars) between everyone and the muslims. Those signs and these people who hold them need to go to hell seriously how could they wish that apon mass amounts of people. If someone had killed or said something so insulting about me I would not wish a 9/11 or a Hollocost

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The United States backed Muslims on Friday against European newspapers that printed caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad in a move that could help America's battered image in the Islamic world. Inserting itself into a dispute that has become a lightning rod for anti-European sentiment across the Muslim world, the United States sided with Muslims outraged that the publications put press freedom over respect for religion. "These cartoons are indeed offensive to the belief of Muslims," State Department spokesman Kurtis Cooper said in answer to a question. "We all fully recognize and respect freedom of the press and expression but it must be coupled with press responsibility. Inciting religious or ethnic hatreds in this manner is not acceptable." American Muslims welcomed the U.S. position, although it stopped short of urging American media not to republish the cartoons that include depicting Mohammad as a terrorist. ...

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Are those pics for real? I can't believe what a bunch of lunatics.. Anyway, shaolin, I suppose we all agree that those pictures are offensive and generalizing and that muslims have the right to be angry about them.

Agreed. Ofcourse these people are over reacting and those pictures are offensive.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 I suppose same happens when someone makes mocking pictures of Jesus or jews or whatever. But the thing is that most of them are overreacting about it so fucking much that it's doing them much more harm than good, and it's really difficult to be sympathetic with them. And what is really striking is that the only thing those morons in the pictures do is firmly confirm the stereotypes suggested in the cartoons.

I agree with you to a point there (and I see the validity of the point you're makeing). This is my short analysis of the pictures. Since I am Muslim and have studies the religioin on my own, forming my own interpretations, as opposed to getting my religious views from some imam (cleric), it's clear as day to me what that group is and what it represents. I've seen many Muslims (by no means an overwhelming majority though) who look and would very possibly react in such a manner faced with a situation like this. A bunch of sheep coming out of a mosque or some other sort of gathering listening to some imam deliver a fiery speach which is likely to entice confrontational behaviour or expression. And they way these people are acting is certainly inappropriate. And many educated and informed Mulims would argue is "unislamic." And you're right, it certainly isn't helping anyone, especially them and all the other muslims who would be generalized into the same category because someone saw this picture that only reinforced their perception. What you won't see in the media is Muslims publicy demonstrating and condeming this sort of behaviour or discussing the inappropriateness of such behaviour in a more private setting. My point simply is that, although these lunatics do exist, that pretty much the only image you see on TV or in the News, which certainly doesn't reflect the views of all Muslims (not that I'm saying you're making this claim).

But yes, I agree with you. They're over reacting, it's offenisve and inappropriate.

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Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I agree with you to a point there (and I see the validity of the point you're makeing). This is my short analysis of the pictures. Since I am Muslim and have studies the religioin on my own, forming my own interpretations, as opposed to getting my religious views from some imam (cleric), it's clear as day to me what that group is and what it represents. I've seen many Muslims (by no means an overwhelming majority though) who look and would very possibly react in such a manner faced with a situation like this. A bunch of sheep coming out of a mosque or some other sort of gathering listening to some imam deliver a fiery speach which is likely to entice confrontational behaviour or expression. And they way these people are acting is certainly inappropriate. And many educated and informed Mulims would argue is "unislamic." And you're right, it certainly isn't helping anyone, especially them and all the other muslims who would be generalized into the same category because someone saw this picture that only reinforced their perception. What you won't see in the media is Muslims publicy demonstrating and condeming this sort of behaviour or discussing the inappropriateness of such behaviour in a more private setting. My point simply is that, although these lunatics do exist, that pretty much the only image you see on TV or in the News, which certainly doesn't reflect the views of all Muslims (not that I'm saying you're making this claim). But yes, I agree with you. They're over reacting, it's offenisve and inappropriate.

That is true 2 of my best mates in the UK were both Muslim and they didnt not like the way most muslims act this way and go to hear a cleric tell them about the west being wrong and trying to condemn and destory the muslim religion(their words not mine). They also sympathiesed with me as most people only see the worst of their religion and they said that if they could change anything it would be the muslim reputation. They also joked about this stuff when we would be talking making fun of Jesus(i come from a catholic background) and making fun on Allah and stuff and they didnt behead me lol

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, if the cartoons we're offensive and disrespectful in nature, I can understand why most Muslims would be pissed off. But that's about as far as I'm willing to let them go, being pissed and/or publicly demonstrating their discontent (non-violently ofcourse).

Agreed, but knowing the reputations of those guys through observation you can expect a bomb or two. I especially liked the part of the article where they said that the Denmark newspaper heightened security. I literally laughed because even they know they type of extremists those guys are. If this same scenario were to happen to Christians trust me security would not have been heightened. Life would just go on as usual and the rest would be solved diplomatically.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z And to answer your question, it's because many muslims are fucking stupid when it comes to their faith. I don't think I need to emphasize how stagnated mainstream Muslim though/culture has become. One big problem is that many, if not most, Muslims make little to no effort to understand their religion and mostly rely on their parents.

Preach on brotha man!

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z But the good news is, that most first generation Muslims (atleast in the US), ppl brought up and raised here, usually tend to eigther make an honest effort themselves to understand/interpret their faith.

That's what I love about any Americanized religion. They are more lineant and go with the flow type of people. If they are offended they take to the streets and protest however the hell they want without the violence. Sometimes deep down in the pit of my stomach I wish someone would pull a Hitler and eliminate all violent extremist Muslims. Again I'm referring to the suicide bombers who are giving Muslims a bad name and the same people who interpret the religion in different ways. I know my statement is extreme, but taking a step back and looking at the situation as a whole it would really solve a lot of the peace problems going on in the Middle East since most of it is about religion to begin with.