After reading the first 3posts and not knowing what state of conversation is now,I'd say that songs like 'do you think your better off alone,by alice deejay or something started the whole trend of making crap music.
Castles in the sky did some damage too.

Now,I liked a song or two that atb made, but about the time atb made their most well known songs was aboutt he time that other crap came out which started ruining the scene and state of trance.

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You know what? Forget it. I'm tired of smashing my head against a wall.

I'm going to bed.

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yikes, I was just trying to informative, to reveal my perspective on things for fun, im not trying to arm anybody for an argument. I'll have you know breaks completely dominate the EDM scene in my region, I hear this stuff every few weeks because it is the only game in my town, all DnB and Breaks, anything else is the target for worlds of hate. The Breaks fans in town refuse to claim trancy stuff like the tune in quation as part of their genre, they say that it isn't proper.

The purpose of my post was to inform, I like to think that part of the appeal of this site is seeing how things work in different parts of the world, so when I see an oppurtunity I post descriptions of how things work in my part of it, in attempt to contribute to this pool of information.

yikes, the thing I replied to changed as I was writing it, sigh.

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Are you misunderstanding me on purpose? I didn't say a 4/4 automatically makes a tune trance. I said that's a highly crucial part of trance, if you haven't happened to notice. All the trance tracks use 4/4 as the basis, some older stuff has some extra beats in there with the 4/4 but nowadays those tracks are more or less nonexistent.

You said it was a defining part of the genre. Yet there have been breakbeat trance records for over a decade now. That there weren't sooner is probably due to the relatively self-contained nature of the scene. There's no law and never has been a law saying that trance must have a 4/4 kickdrum.

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Why do you keep mentioning the samples anyway? Since when have samples defined any genre? Trance samples stuff at least as much as breakbeats do, yet you seem to ignore that completely.

Loop and sample based music comes from hip-hop. It's the way they're used and affect the structure and tone of the music. It's a simple matter of listening to a trance track and then a breaks track to hear how the two use samples differently. Trance doesn't use many samples at all. It tends to use pads and layers and leads.

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Who is on my side? The rest of the people like me who have been listening to breaks for a decade (give or take). You have 2 people on your side on a trance board... that must mean you're right

In this thread, two people have agreed with me. Not to mention good old Ishkur Nobody has with you yet. And yet you're assuming that everyone else out there will agree with you.

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My correction was right, yours was wrong. What else do you need?

You're bright, aren't you?

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about "silence " i have to admit i really loved this tune but to hear it too much made me hate it ....it's funny to see that tiesto when he did his tiesto in concert event played this tune again

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when you really think about it, does any genre have "rules" that define it? All of these rules seem to be flexible to a certain extent. I mean, what exactly is trance? What exactly is progressive? What exactly is breakbeats?

These things change, these things are flexible, the borders between these things are fuzzy. Surely you would think that we could compensate for this flexibility by having tolerance for assertions that lie near the borders of these flexible rules, unfortunately everybody thinks these rules are written in stone and claims they are the objective truth. I think what is really happening here, is that there is a flexibility in all the definitions we use. As a result, our opinions should be equally flexible, or at least open to the possibility that a person can understand these things differently without neccesarily being wrong or dumb or a noob.

It is in some aspects a matter of opinion, I am not suggesting that we all subscribe to postmodernism and give up on all attemps of identifying standards and taking sides. Postmodern "everything is reletive" thought is equally as stupid as assuming that you are right and everybody else is wrong, the real answer is in recognizing stucture while also accepting the possiblity for those structures to be somewhat flexible. It is the "engineering approximation" applied to music, sure there are rules, but there is flexibility, there is tolerance, and things change rapidly.

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Take your breakbeat discussion to the craptoilet*

I'd have to go with Children on this, it's happy poppy teeny easy weee dreamy mommy friendly - you get the point.

I always thought Tiesto's mix of Silence was crap, even when i actually liked epic trance, but never realised it had anywhere near the influence people claim it to have had. I've heard Silence played everywhere hundreds of times - THE ORIGINAL MIX (mind you, a bit better than that pointless layering of endless overblown strings by Tiesto). I only got to listen to his mix about when I registered to TA to get access to the Audiogalaxy group. And I don't remember seeing it in any compilation in the stores, unlike Rank 1 - Airwave or System F - Out Of The Blue (hey, this one is a good candidate as well).

So I don't really think it started or ended anything (altho, tracks can have much different success in different countries/geographical areas and I think that really influences our perceptions), it was just another shit over-rated track in history.












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Breaks exists.

J is wrong. Again.

And he has obviously never been to Orlando.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Breaks exists. J is wrong. Again. And he has obviously never been to Orlando.

as much i dont always agree with you, great point.
I've lived in Orlando and breaks breaks breaks breaks...

Dj Icey is a God there...

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Originally posted by Ishkur Breaks exists. J is wrong. Again. And he has obviously never been to Orlando.

Eh? I never said breaks don't exist. The closest thing I said to that was that there is no super-genre called Breaks. Your guide agrees almost entirely with me on this matter. And I've been to Orlando.

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No one tune started a decline in the quality, there are many more factors than a popular tune a few years ago.

such as ?