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Originally posted by Sunflower I understand what you're saying, but do you think any of those are new? Humans have been plagued with "environment damage, government corruption and lies, religion, disease, wars, etc" ever since our beginning

Has it stopped or slowed down? The population grows, and our damage becomes more widespread. We just cant stop! Even if the governments tried (if they did), not much can be done now. Better education system perhaps? I know I was a bit wrong when I exagerrated on some points and said that everything is wrong - but in reality, where's the alarm? Where's the sense of urgency? You think the environment and the planet supplies are infinite? Thats absolutely not true. The strain that humans are placing on Earth is tremendous. 1 Billion people 200 years ago. Today its almost 7 times more damage, as most of the worlds population lives in developing world! And (I hate to sart this shit again, but ...) the government is definitely to blame for not working to stop the bleeding. All their care is money in their pockets, power and how to hold on to their clutches of power. Money changes people! Politics are not for making the world better, but are for people grabbing on to the clutches of power.

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Oh, as for poisons in food I just looked at my book shelf and 'Excitotoxins - The Taste That Kills' is an EXCELLENT book to back my point on harmful chemicals that are in foods today (and as well I'd like to recommend for reading the controversial book by Kevin Trudeau 'Natural Cures They Don't Want You To KNow About'). I dont feel like describing the Excitotoxins book, I am pretty sure google can give you a description. Basically it talks how aspartame, MSG and other chemicals alike are harmful to the body, and the studies show the harmful effects on the body.

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Well what do you suggest the government do to combat all these problems then?

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Originally posted by Sunflower Well what do you suggest the government do to combat all these problems then?

Dont you think you should be doing something about it? It all starts with you. Dont expect government to force people around the world to change their damaging ways of life to stop the destruction of our biosystem of the planet (its not like its one of their priorities anyway; their real priority is do make sure they win the next elections). People will not accept such demands. AND Governments no longer have the power anyway. Corporations and very wealthy people are the ones with real power today, because money runs the world. People forgot that its actually them who have the real power to change things, but we are lost in the money trail. So it is up to us to show example for people to follow, but the problem with this is that wealthy people's lifestyle needs for someone living in poverty, and it will not exist otherwise. Its kind of like sports, one person wins and the other has to be a loser as a result; winners cant exist without losers. Same thing with rich people - they exist because other people suffer (and there are more poor people than rich because money is at stake). Economic growth requires resources from the planet. And our planet does not contain infinite supplies of fuel, trees, fresh drinking water, food, etc. etc.

Do you want me to show you "proof" now for this? Or dont you think this is common sense? The change starts with you. The more people live a healthier for the world way, others will follow - like a domino effect or gravity or whatever you may call that.

Every dollar that you will not spend on harmful to the planet causes will result in less money for the damage to continue living off. Remember, it all starts with you ...

What have you done so far?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Dont you think you should be doing something about it? It all starts with you. Dont expect government to force people around the world to change their damaging ways of life to stop the destruction of our biosystem of the planet (its not like its one of their priorities anyway; their real priority is do make sure they win the next elections). People will not accept such demands. AND Governments no longer have the power anyway. Corporations and very wealthy people are the ones with real power today, because money runs the world. People forgot that its actually them who have the real power to change things, but we are lost in the money trail. So it is up to us to show example for people to follow, but the problem with this is that wealthy people's lifestyle needs for someone living in poverty, and it will not exist otherwise. Its kind of like sports, one person wins and the other has to be a loser as a result; winners cant exist without losers. Same thing with rich people - they exist because other people suffer (and there are more poor people than rich because money is at stake). Economic growth requires resources from the planet. And our planet does not contain infinite supplies of fuel, trees, fresh drinking water, food, etc. etc. Do you want me to show you "proof" now for this? Or dont you think this is common sense? The change starts with you. The more people live a healthier for the world way, others will follow - like a domino effect or gravity or whatever you may call that. Every dollar that you will not spend on harmful to the planet causes will result in less money for the damage to continue living off. Remember, it all starts with you ... What have you done so far?

lol. yea im going to start combating modern medicine because they create super disease

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Originally posted by Sunflower lol. yea im going to start combating modern medicine because they create super disease

No, forget what I said earlier. I dont want to talk about that, yuy miunderstood me and are twisting what I said. Seems like you just want to ignore what I said in my preivous post and continue to draw holes in my story.

Basically, it seems like you dont understand or dont care about the situation on our planet. And thats why calamities will happen, because people will refuse to change. People believe they have the power to do what they want to nature, and then God and religion will come and save them at the last moment. As we speak, forests are cut in Amazon and world's population increases, and every newborn requires more resources, and then other people require additional resources because they cant manage very well (like the fact that North America is the number one consumer of energy in the world, and one of the leading waste makers as well) while much of the world lives off pennies and many of them dont even have television sets, some never heard of internet or know who Britney Spears. They can barely survive. And they blame us. And we dont care. And so on. Too much information to type up here, its unfortunate so many people dont care.

Nature and resources cannot be easily replaced, in fact much of it can NEVER be brought back. So when will the destruction stop? Cloning and genetic engineering cannot reverse the damage. We need to stop the damage, and start reseeding the planet. How many times do I have to say this? Or are you going to ignore this and say some stupid non-relevant crap just to change the topic? Shame on you!!! Where's your sense of responsibility for your actions!

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To explain it to you in detail: bacteria multiplies in the body, does some damage. Drugs come in, kill most of bacteria. Some develop resistance to it, many reasons why it can happen (abuse of drugs, improper amounts, fast evolving bacteria, stronger resistance, incorrect drugs, health deficiencies, etc). Then different drugs are introduced to the body (all drugs have side effects, by the way, which require other drugs to suppress them and so forth). By now this bacteria has multiplied back to its previous numbers. This new drug kills most of the bacteria. Small amount become resistant to that drugs, and so on. Thus, the bacteria becomes STRONGER with every mutation, and HARDER to defeat. When it spreads, it becomes harder to get rid of. So simple, yet you try to twist my point!!!!

iF Drugs and anti-biotics were in fact successful, all diseases that they were developed to eliminate would have been gone by now, which is NOT the case. Wake up!!!

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Originally posted by Magnetonium No, forget what I said earlier. I dont want to talk about that, yuy miunderstood me and are twisting what I said. Seems like you just want to ignore what I said in my preivous post and continue to draw holes in my story. Basically, it seems like you dont understand or dont care about the situation on our planet. And thats why calamities will happen, because people will refuse to change. People believe they have the power to do what they want to nature, and then God and religion will come and save them at the last moment. As we speak, forests are cut in Amazon and world's population increases, and every newborn requires more resources, and then other people require additional resources because they cant manage very well (like the fact that North America is the number one consumer of energy in the world, and one of the leading waste makers as well) while much of the world lives off pennies and many of them dont even have television sets, some never heard of internet or know who Britney Spears. They can barely survive. And they blame us. And we dont care. And so on. Too much information to type up here, its unfortunate so many people dont care. Nature and resources cannot be easily replaced, in fact much of it can NEVER be brought back. So when will the destruction stop? Cloning and genetic engineering cannot reverse the damage. We need to stop the damage, and start reseeding the planet. How many times do I have to say this? Or are you going to ignore this and say some stupid non-relevant crap just to change the topic? Shame on you!!! Where's your sense of responsibility for your actions!

You could sell your computer and use the proceeds to help those who have never heard of the internet. It would also help reduce the waste of resources in the form of electicity and give you more time to go out and spread your message. Remember, the change starts with you!

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Originally posted by NeoPhono You could sell your computer and use the proceeds to help those who have never heard of the internet. It would also help reduce the waste of resources in the form of electicity and give you more time to go out and spread your message. Remember, the change starts with you!

I use computer to spread my message, and not to download pron and spend endless hours chatting away about nothing. I donate money to specific charities, I am a member of Green Party Of Canada (I donated there too), I talk to people about this, I encourage and support change, I spread the word. What you just said there makes me laugh, cause obviously you have done nothing.

If you would have done something, you would have replied with what you did. But instead you pick on someone one, the way the Canadian political elections campaign works (dont vote for them, they're bad they do this-'n'-that-'n'-this!!!! vote for us instead!)

Cheap. Shame on you.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium iF Drugs and anti-biotics were in fact successful, all diseases that they were developed to eliminate would have been gone by now, which is NOT the case. Wake up!!!

Well, you are starting to make some more sense now, but this part is where you're still a bit off. Antibiotics can't really exterminate a specific disease because there are always thousands of people all over the world who are in various states of being infected. To exterminate a disease, you would have to have every single person in the world go through an antibotic therapy for a month or so at least. That is simply impossible to do, because a single infected individual can screw up the whole concept. This way the best we can do is to cure people with antibiotics, and if the bacteria become resistant, invent another antibiotic. But some diseases were infact exterminated completely by using antibiotics, it's just that it was a really costly, complicated, and time consuming procedure.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I use computer to spread my message, and not to download pron and spend endless hours chatting away about nothing. I donate money to specific charities, I am a member of Green Party Of Canada (I donated there too), I talk to people about this, I encourage and support change, I spread the word. What you just said there makes me laugh, cause obviously you have done nothing. If you would have done something, you would have replied with what you did. But instead you pick on someone one, the way the Canadian political elections campaign works (dont vote for them, they're bad they do this-'n'-that-'n'-this!!!! vote for us instead!) Cheap. Shame on you.

LOL. Yeah, I've worked night shift the last three and a half years taking care of cancer patients while going to school during the day as I devote my life to medicine. I'm not too worried about the "something," I'm doing.

Although I'm sure in your world that means I'm secretly building super bacterial strains in conjunction with the government, or actually giving people cancer instead of helping to cure it.

(To everyone else --- please don't take that first statement as me being "high and mighty." Contrary to what it may sound like, I pride myself on humility [was that an oxymoron? ]. Regardless, everyone does their own thing, and I do mine. I just think it's funny hearing this guy spew his rhetoric.)