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7-4-7
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Scarborough, Ontario
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| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
i think your rates of pay are overinflated. Ive never seen telemarketers make $15 an hour. Perhaps some do if there is commission involved. If Dominion pays $21 (union) for bakers than its no wonder i shop at no frills. For retail workers... yes im sure gucci makes $43000 a year but thats why most people cant afford gucci. And im sure those jobs are limited to the very few elite who have the education and experience to pull off that job. As for garbage men, there are all kinds of unskilled jobs that are labourous and can cause injury. The difference is that non union,non taxpayer funded jobs dont have an endless money pit in which to pay them. Sadly they think the taxpayer can keep forking over the dough.
What you and some others dont realize is that SOMEBODY has to pay these outrageously high wages. And that SOMEBODY is you and me.
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As stated in the earlier post, I have personally managed two separate call centres that paid, WITH NO COMMISION, BONUS OR ANY OTHER OPTION FOR PAY INCREASE; That number again was $15, if you dont agree please, dont dispute unless you can prove otherwise.
As far as my Gucci point, the clientele they cater to is IRRELEVANT, are you suggesting that the drivers who drive rich, Bay Street types at rush hour make $45 per hour, i think not.
As for garbage men, you do it, or find lacky's to do it, because people in that industry, like many others undertsand that they cannot get jobs in many places, because of education. Therefore they export their labour, it is dangerous. So you say lower their pay or fire them all and pay those poor souls less, until of course they are hurt, go on workers' comp and then as you say sombebody pays and "that SOMEBODY is you and me."
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 May-31-2006 20:53 
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Jayx1
Prime Minister of TOTA
Registered: Feb 2003
Location: The Socialist People's Republic Of Canada
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| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
What kind of economics did you take in school? If nobody wants to do a job for a set price, what will the business do? Obviously they will adjust the wages/benifits so that it becomes a more attractive job.
Nobody wants to haul garbage as a living, and thats why they get paid so much.
Its the same idea as danger pay. Nobody wants to get hurt, but if you give them enough money, people will take the chance because the reward maybe worth it.
People certainly do take into account how enjoyable a job is, when making the decision of whether to take it or not. |
The only reason the wages are that high is due to the fact that the union has a stranglehold on the city coupled with the fact that the TTC has a monopoly on city transport.
Economics in this case decries that the union can pretty much demand what they want and have.
What im saying is that we have to bust up the union in order to get a more efficent system that will benefit all of us.
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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill
"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill
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May-31-2006 21:24 
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Jayx1
Prime Minister of TOTA
Registered: Feb 2003
Location: The Socialist People's Republic Of Canada
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| quote: | Originally posted by 7-4-7
As stated in the earlier post, I have personally managed two separate call centres that paid, WITH NO COMMISION, BONUS OR ANY OTHER OPTION FOR PAY INCREASE; That number again was $15, if you dont agree please, dont dispute unless you can prove otherwise.
As far as my Gucci point, the clientele they cater to is IRRELEVANT, are you suggesting that the drivers who drive rich, Bay Street types at rush hour make $45 per hour, i think not.
As for garbage men, you do it, or find lacky's to do it, because people in that industry, like many others undertsand that they cannot get jobs in many places, because of education. Therefore they export their labour, it is dangerous. So you say lower their pay or fire them all and pay those poor souls less, until of course they are hurt, go on workers' comp and then as you say sombebody pays and "that SOMEBODY is you and me." |
the clientele IS relevent. Why? becase those clients have a choice in whether or not to pay the higher prices associated with the higher wages. Transit riders DO NOT.
As for your garbage men example...
HUH???
How does raising their rate of pay prevent them from getting hurt? And if they do get hurt, the higher rate of pay means they get more workers comp.
I dont know what you were trying to say here.
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| quote: | Originally posted by jester
Everything in this country is illegal. |
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill
"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill
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May-31-2006 21:26
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smuncky
Architect
Registered: Dec 2003
Location: richmond hill, ontario, canada
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May-31-2006 22:24 
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7-4-7
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Scarborough, Ontario
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| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
the clientele IS relevent. Why? becase those clients have a choice in whether or not to pay the higher prices associated with the higher wages. Transit riders DO NOT.
As for your garbage men example...
HUH???
How does raising their rate of pay prevent them from getting hurt? And if they do get hurt, the higher rate of pay means they get more workers comp.
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i guess we will forget the telemarketing talk then.
You really think that Gucci costs what it cost because of the wages of its employees, no. It is an upscale product, and therefore cost what it costs.
Garbage: Horrible job. Requires no education. You want to pay them less and less, because you think that they are paid too much.
1) What exactly would you pay them and why?
2) based upon what criterion?
Ultimatley no one would ever choose to do that job, because you are collecting other peoples trash for a living, and hanging out of the back end of a truck with the smell of garbage and all of the harmful bacteria blowing in your face. You would pay these people the same as telemarketers, retail workers and bouncers.
Thank you, but I disagree for two reasons, 1) I value their existence, the work they do and because they are humans deserving of pay relative to the job they are doing. and 2) because it is a garbage job, it is dangerous and prone to pain. You speak of injury as a burden to the system, I speak of injury as a burden to a human, their livelehood, family and ones overall drive to be a productive member of society.
#2 is clearly the fundamental differance between our opinions.
Ultimatley their rate of pay must be respectful of the realities of the job, and should therefor pay accordingly.
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May-31-2006 22:46
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