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Originally posted by christian_rusch Yes, I am absolutely that dumb, that's why I can attend pretty much any school I want. You just seem to have a bad habit of posting your opinions as if they were facts, that's all (either that or just being terribly undiplomatic). Personally I try to make a point of writing what I mean so that I in turn mean what I write, aswell assume that people mean what they write; but I assume that makes me dumb... silly me. To me, the difference between "I find that Hybrid have little to no talent as producers" contra "Hybrid have little to no talent as producers" to be quite obvious. One presents a subjective opinion, whereas the other presents an objective one.

almost EVERY argument against music made on a forum like this is going to be subjective, whether it's worded in in such a manner or otherwise. it's pointless trying to correct people using objective wording in such cases; if you know it's subjective anyway then why bother?

the problem lies not with how people choose to word their opinions, but how others interpret them

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Another thread goes down the shitter.
I just heard his remix of Open Our Eyes that everyone is salivating over.
To be honest, I don't see what all the excitement is about.
He's just added his trademark bassline and done little else. The Got Piano mix is discordant and clashes with that beautiful synth.
The thoughtful No Piano Mix addresses this issue but then it is not a remix anymore, but a mere re-work.

Don't get me wrong, he's a good producer and has done some bangin' stuff but people shouldn't blindly follow and thoughtlessly devour whatever they hear on ASOT.

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Originally posted by christian_rusch Yes, I am absolutely that dumb, that's why I can attend pretty much any school I want. You just seem to have a bad habit of posting your opinions as if they were facts, that's all (either that or just being terribly undiplomatic). Personally I try to make a point of writing what I mean so that I in turn mean what I write, aswell assume that people mean what they write; but I assume that makes me dumb... silly me. To me, the difference between "I find that Hybrid have little to no talent as producers" contra "Hybrid have little to no talent as producers" to be quite obvious. One presents a subjective opinion, whereas the other presents an objective one.

That doesn't make sense at all. Every reply in this thread is subjective. Doesn't matter how you twist and turn it. In the same way as there is no objective journalism there are no objective views of music. I thought most people already knew this.

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Originally posted by isoterra the problem lies not with how people choose to word their opinions, but how others interpret them

One simple way to make sure people interpret one's text the way one wants them to interpret it, is to actually word it as to properly reflect that which one wishes to convey. Again, if you say what you mean, you mean what you say. If you don't say what you mean, you consequently don't mean what you say; and if you don't say what you mean, is it really up to others to know what you mean? Just a thought... anyway, I'm off to bed.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 That doesn't make sense at all. Every reply in this thread is subjective. Doesn't matter how you twist and turn it. In the same way as there is no objective journalism there are no objective views of music. I thought most people already knew this.

How does that not make any sense?

The piano is not in key with the rest of the harmonies between xx:xx and xx:xx > objective fact
The piano melody doesn't sound good imo, I don't like the melody > subjective opinion

Clear enough for you?

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Originally posted by christian_rusch How does that not make any sense? The piano is not in key with the rest of the harmonies between xx:xx and xx:xx > objective fact The piano melody doesn't sound good imo, I don't like the melody > subjective opinion Clear enough for you?

So let me get this straight. When I write out "This tune is not good". You take that as objective fact in comparison with "I think this tune is not good" ?

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Originally posted by christian_rusch How does that not make any sense? The piano is not in key with the rest of the harmonies between xx:xx and xx:xx > objective fact The piano melody doesn't sound good imo, I don't like the melody > subjective opinion Clear enough for you?

You suck, and so do your reasoning skills.

In my opinion, of course.

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Originally posted by christian_rusch One simple way to make sure people interpret one's text the way one wants them to interpret it, is to actually word it as to properly reflect that which one wishes to convey. Again, if you say what you mean, you mean what you say. If you don't say what you mean, you consequently don't mean what you say; and if you don't say what you mean, is it really up to others to know what you mean? Just a thought... anyway, I'm off to bed.

unless it can be unanimously proven in concrete to be a correct or incorrect fact, it's a subjective view. how in christ's name can commenting on a tune's depth & energy be a matter of fact or not?

on the contrary, it would be even simpler if people used their brains more often. if anyone actually thinks something like 'this tune is shit' is an objective view & ends up taking offence to it & hating themselves for liking shit music, they deserve all the flak they get frankly

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Originally posted by christian_rusch The piano is not in key with the rest of the harmonies between xx:xx and xx:xx > objective fact The piano melody doesn't sound good imo, I don't like the melody > subjective opinion

well, now you're taking more than the wording into account. obviously the first one is objective because it's regarding a musical technicality & can be proven right or wrong. "His tune lacks the energy to be banging and lacks depth to become solid" on the other hand is quite blatently a subjective opinion

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Originally posted by basd You suck, and so do your reasoning skills. In my opinion, of course.

in my opinion you suck ass