And I'm saying stereo widening is a tool. And that you should never completely rule out using this tool because doing so would be foolish.

If you were to look at a graph of a single cycle sine wave, its vertical height is its amplitude. The number of cycles you squeeze into the same horizontal length is its frequency or period.

And if you were to draw another sine wave, its starting point on the horizontal axis in relation to the other sine wave is its phase difference.

Its one of the 3 basic properties of sound. I'm just saying it helps to pay attention to this fact because it also applies (though not as much) when these 2 sounds are different. Less so depending on the frequency ranges we are dealing with and the extent of the phase difference.

In any stereo mix you will encounter destructive phasing - its almost an inevitability, the more instruments you sling into the mix - even when you don't use any kind of stereo widening.

What fascinates me about phase is the way the brain perceives direction and height by measuring the variences from one ear to the other.

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Originally posted by Derivative And I'm saying stereo widening is a tool. And that you should never completely rule out using this tool because doing so would be foolish.

No one's ruling it out, just suggesting alternatives that we find more effective and naturalistic.

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delaying one channel for the stereo effect isn't really a great stereo widening effect as it causes more problem than it helps. you should consider to use m/s processing as it is much more natural for stereo enhancing.

Reg. your comment on guitar rythym tracks derivative, they actually do something more similar to what Pjotr G is saying. They record two takes of the guitar and pan one left one right. They also often record with different amps and settings and pan that all in somewhere too. I for one am not ruling out phase difference in mixing, I think hell, if it works for you, use it! I am saying that there are other ways you can get a similar or better effect if phase difference doesn't work for you. Sorry if I've caused offence.