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| quote: | Originally posted by Dopey
the point is, you have no proof
when I see forensic evidence linking that girl's death with an IDF gun, I will believe that it happened that way, until then, it is all speculation, no matter how "informed" you feel you are on the issue |
Haha, you picked the wrong guy and the wrong time for an argument.
No proof??? There's plenty of proof. One basic reasoning is that even on Western media you dont hear Israeli public apology for killing innocent civilians in raids, bombings, rather calling them "regretful" or "accidental". Since you really insist on being so innocent, you pissed me off and I decided to give you a lesson in manners.
Alright f-ckface, you want to play hardball, here we go. You have to learn sometime that you need to shut the hell up first before making wild claims about something you have no idea about. I spit on people like you who blindly BELIEVE THAT innocent Palestinian civilians who die or get injured at the hands of Israeli military most times receive proper apology, compensation, health care to recover, and equal treatment - OR ANY OF IT for that matter. Now, read and learn, butthead, and next time keep your mouth shut if you're still a human being with feelings:
According to the Office Of the United Nations High Commissioner For Human Rights, website: http://www.ohchr.org/ (below text taken from Pages 141-144 of the UN document http://www.ohchr.org/english/bodies...7-PartIII-3.pdf)
"In light of the layers of legal regimes, constitutionally discriminatory State-party institutions, and military occupation, the aggrieved individual Palestinian is not likely to seek remedy from Israeli military courts in the OPTS, but more like to appeal to one or morenongovernmental organizations operating in the OPT, including those providing legal defence services. In East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, while indigenous residents have access to the Israeli civil courts, they are mostly inefficient in responding to the needs of indigenous residents due to the discrimination based on nationality analyzed by this report. Thus, even when access to the civil legal system is possible effective remedy and protection are rarely made available.
Handling Of Complaints
Israel forms the only de facto sovereign authority in OPT Areas B and C and, as such, is ultimately responsible for maintaining law and order in the region. Meanwhile, it has the duty of ensuring the equal treatment of all persons within the OPT. With respect to settler violence, the IOF often either actively promotes or overlooks offences against Palestinians. In many cases, the restriction onthe movement of Palestinians and the imposition of curfews have offered greater opportunity for settlers to attack Palestinians in their homes and attack their property.
Israel’s obligation to provide an effective remedy is enshrined in several international human rights treaties that it has ratified, including Article 6 of ICERD. However, in 2002, the Knesset amended the Civil Wrongs (Liability of State) Law (1952) poses obstacles to Palestinians claiming remedy for wrongful acts by the State or its agents. The Law defines the situations in which the State party can be immune from responsibility for damages, such as for the death or injury of a person as a consequence of his military service or for damages arising from “war time actions.” The purpose of the Law was to limit severely the OPT Palestinians’ ability to sue the State for damages sustained at the hands of its agents since September 2000. It expanded the definition of “war
time action” to include “any action of combating terror, hostile actions, or insurrection.” The 2002 amendment also limited to 60 days after the incident for filing a notice of intent to present a claim, and then a two-year period for filing an actual claim. A July 2005 amendment further limited the filing time to 30 days and retroactively enabled the courts to dismiss standing cases. The Lawalso prohibits a national of an “enemy state,” a member of a “terrorist” organization or a person injured in a “conflict zone” from seeking compensation in an Israeli court for harm inflicted by the State party’s agents. The new amendment grants the Minister of Interior the privileges of a six-month period to determine whether aclaim corresponds with a “conflict zone,” thereby eliminating the claim, and to disqualify witnesses and plaintiffs by identifying themas “wanted” or blacklisted persons.
Implementing Human Rights
With its refusal to apply, monitor or report upon performance of thehuman rights treaties in the areas under its military occupation, the State party has testified before other treaty bodies, rather, that such matters reside in the domain of humanitarian law. Both the judicialand administrative systems fail to effectively apply the legal standards that the State purports in its report to have upheld. A key concern is the lack of monitoring systems and complaint procedures to ensure the just applications of laws and court rulings [see Part III: Article 2 and 3.]
The State party’s institutions to facilitate human rights implementation do not function in the West Bank and Gaza Strip,except in the service of Israel citizens and “Jewish nationals.”
The State’s poor record of investigation and prosecution of unlawful killings and injuries of Palestinians in OPT demonstrates a pattern of discrimination. Between 29 September 2000 and end November 2004, Israeli security forces killed more than 1,600 Palestinian civilians not involved in hostilities, including at least 500 children, seriously injured thousands more. The State party had criminally investigated only 74 such cases of alleged unlawful use of lethal force. This represents less than 5% of the civilian Palestinian deaths in nearly four years of the Intifada."
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There are no f-cking forensics or CSI agents roaming around Israel to satisfy your hunger for a nice episode for a TV programme on the crimes of Israeli troops. In fact, these Palestinians often DONT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR PROPER BURIAL, and you're talking about a proper forensics report. WHO THE F--K IS GOING TO PAY FOR THAT REPORT? YOU? I dont think so. Idiot.
Also,
How can any decent person argue that Jews - 50 years after the fact - deserve compensation for property lost to the Nazi government but Palestinian refugees, numbering at 700 000 at the time of forced removal, whose property was taken by the Israel government have no right to compensation??????? HUH???
All you ignorant assholes that dont have any feelings for the thousands of civilians (anywhere in the world, especially in Palestinian lands as in this topic) who live in poverty, who have been oppressed and murdered by occupational forces, who survive barely enough on the funds of United Nations, Red Cross and silimar organizations. Those who dont agree with any of the above points stated, you are a pathetic excuse for a human being. Period. That concludes my 2-hour research on this post.
Also, Did You Know?
In 1996/1997, Israel passed a law forbidding compensation to the Palestinian civilian victims of the 1987-1993 Intefadah:
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache...ca&ct=clnk&cd=8
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrocities-intifada.html
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