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LiquidX
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: In Ur Mind
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| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
The mere existance of Christianity is complete bullshit. First off, if Christians were to believe in the ideas of Jesus, than Christians would have to abide by the Torah. No matter how 'holy' Jesus was supposed to be, Jesus still prayed to a god (which disapproves the idea that 'Jesus is thy Lord and savior'), and he abided by the Torah and all its laws. |
If you studied the Old Testament, there's reference to Jesus been your Messiah all over the place... Now I can go out and say that modern Jewish peeps are BS.. ignorant ?
Now what christians are you referring to ?!?!
Jesus is the savior, meaning, giving us the opportunity for Atonement.
There's only on god, and thats GOD. Jesus and God are two separate figures.. We pray to God via JEsus, been the communicator, but we never pray to him.
PS: I call myself a christian because I believe in Jesus and all, but there's a big difference between my religion and the rest of the christians that came from the Catholic branch, mine doesn't.
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Feb-28-2007 02:50
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Pheobius
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Since ppl hve been getting on to the big bang and shit, and we had a special sermon on it on sunday (so this will be biased from a christian point of view, live with it) I thought I dive in and join the bedlum.
Before the big bang theory, scientists thought the universe was static, i.e. had always been there.
When the big bang theory was first thought up (by a dutch part time catholic priest, part time physicist - can't remember his name though) most scientists refuted it because it was too SIMILAR to Genesis.
It is similar, which is remarkable because you wouldn't expect a Jewish theologian three thousand years ago to have a very good grasp of particle physics would you?
The guy giving the lecture (who did his PhD in particle physics - he believes in the big bang theory, a sort of Intelligent Design I suppose) also made the point of saying that the big bang needed to be so perfectly balance, and relied on so many mathematical patterns (and remember this is before the laws of the universe, including maths, existed) that it was something like a one in ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of hundred, although I'm not entirely sure how many 'to the power ofs' there were, of ever happening.
The idea that science excludes god is nonsense. Just because we can explain something by science doesn't mean God didn't create it, it just means we understand a little more of God's kingdom.
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Feb-28-2007 10:13
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aNYthing
Abrasive Cockhead @ Large

Registered: Dec 2005
Location: Near metric fuck-a-ton of high-end gear
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| quote: | Originally posted by Pheobius
Since ppl hve been getting on to the big bang and shit, and we had a special sermon on it on sunday (so this will be biased from a christian point of view, live with it) I thought I dive in and join the bedlum.
Before the big bang theory, scientists thought the universe was static, i.e. had always been there.
When the big bang theory was first thought up (by a dutch part time catholic priest, part time physicist - can't remember his name though) most scientists refuted it because it was too SIMILAR to Genesis.
It is similar, which is remarkable because you wouldn't expect a Jewish theologian three thousand years ago to have a very good grasp of particle physics would you?
The guy giving the lecture (who did his PhD in particle physics - he believes in the big bang theory, a sort of Intelligent Design I suppose) also made the point of saying that the big bang needed to be so perfectly balance, and relied on so many mathematical patterns (and remember this is before the laws of the universe, including maths, existed) that it was something like a one in ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of ten to the power of hundred, although I'm not entirely sure how many 'to the power ofs' there were, of ever happening.
The idea that science excludes god is nonsense. Just because we can explain something by science doesn't mean God didn't create it, it just means we understand a little more of God's kingdom. |
First, why are we bringing in Jewish theologicians into picture? Why turn it around and make it a JEWISH issue? I don't suppose James Cameron is Jewish, is he? Christian faith is a conglomeration of pagan, druid, Jewish, and many other religions present at that time. To be successfull and recognizable to those religions it was aiming to absorb, it had to "look and feel" as close as possible to them. Hence the co-incidence of many Christian holidays to those religions it absorbed.
Now, speaking of Big Bang - my theory is that we're bunch of microbes sitting in some supreme aliens elementary school's laboratory beaker as sub-primal culture of microbes. They are studying the subject of "Self destruction" and we're a lab material. We think we are important, big, advanced, etc. But in reality - we're not even visible to a naked eye. Oh, and that Big Bang - all a part of this lab experiment. Billions of years? Yah. Only to us. To them - fraction of a second. How's that for theory of relativity? How's that for "Big Bang" theory?
My favorite part of "Men in Black" was the last minute or so of the movie, where they show aliens playing with a glass marble that is our universe.
I laugh at religious zealots of any denomination. You people need to think not of your selfish (presumed but highly improbable) salvation but of making the lives of those around you better without shoving your disease down everyone's throats. Parting note - "Salvation" is a made up notion that man has created to distance himself from any other organic matter occupying this planet - thinking that somehow your carcass won't be your last stop before you become fertilizer and worm food. Guess what - you're just as anything else that has come around and left. Nothing but carbon matter. Believe what you will. But there's no light at the end of the tunnel, your relatives won't meet you there, and the only justice and judgment are the ones handed out here, while you can still take and/or deliver good ass-kicking. When your time comes, it's lights out and... the end. No happy ending, no thereafter, no mystery. Just a dirt nap.
The least you can hope for is that your end is peaceful and painless.
/rant.
 
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Last edited by aNYthing on Feb-28-2007 at 15:35
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