typical prog, anthem and epic trance are getting shitter and shitter and poppier imo. while goa and psy are just getting their ideas recycled really, it doesnt seem to have changed that much over the past 5 years. i still like break trance but tech trance i just hate.

my point is though that although there is some good stuff out there, the main genre's of trance (prog basically) is just losing what made it so great to hear in the first place and becoming less and less like trance. the pinnacle of this is avb and tiesto.

ofcourse trance as a whole is not "dead", thats not wat im trying to say.

Good. But what is typical prog? I never associated avb and tiesto with progressive trance.

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Originally posted by Muff2K Tiesto or Oakey?? i would have to say oakenfold started the death of trance. but once tiesto got huge, hold sold out quicker than Paul. very disappointed in the scene the last couple years. everything is so copycat, and nowadays everyone is jumping on the electro bus. anyone who's been around here since 98/99 can relate. Oakenfold owned 1999 Tiesto owned 2001 and now? both sellouts, money does some dirty things to people. like steal their creativity.

How can one or two people kill trance?? I'm sorry but I just don't think anyone is that significant....Especially Paul fuckin Oakenfold or Tiesto. I've never really liked Tiesto. However, there are two tracks that I have bought for him though. One was in 1998 and one about a year ago (LETHAL INDUSTRY/ FLIGHT 643). I heard him spin one time but it was all boring trance when he played.....I absolutely hate Paul fuckin Oakfold the king of trainwrecks of boring trance.....There aint nothing that he makes or spins that don't put me to sleep....

But hey! That's just my opinion. I don't judge DJs on that silly DJ list or that DJ mag silly list. I judge on rather they make me want to dance, with the music they throw down, or if their music don't. I think music is the DJs most important quality! They have to spin flawless too. I have no ideal how Paul Okenfold is even in the top 20 on the DJ list!! He has a reputaion for trainwrecks here in the states! Yeah, they both might have sold a lot of releases somehow...but so does every other big time DJ that is not ranked so high.

Anyway....I, myself, am a lover of hard trance and club trance. I haven't heard any good hard trance or club trance from ether....except one old and one more recent from Tiesto. Those two tracks, in my eyes, aren't enough to vaught him up to number 1 though....So, maybe I'm being biased. I like Kai Tracid, Talla 2xlc, Dave 202, DJ Snowman, DJ Abyss, Miss Shiva, and tons of local trance DJs in Frankfurk and Koblenz! I think they would put Paul fuckin Okenfold to school! Tiesto??? I don't know...I've only heard him once...He was flawless when I heard him. Just though his music was boring. But people like him and his music....so...

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Originally posted by SMC Good. But what is typical prog? I never associated avb and tiesto with progressive trance.

back in the day typical progressive trance (or anthem trance) was probably alot of ferry corsten's stuff, or ayla, airscape, avb, three drives on a vinyl, etc. etc. i would call in my memory progressive trance aswell. nowadays alot of it has got so many fucking vocals in it alot of the time its more like epic trance alot of the time or even closer to pop or vocal trance. or in other words shit.

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Originally posted by Rick Mage How can one or two people kill trance?? I'm sorry but I just don't think anyone is that significant....Especially Paul fuckin Oakenfold or Tiesto. I've never really liked Tiesto. However, there are two tracks that I have bought for him though. One was in 1998 and one about a year ago (LETHAL INDUSTRY/ FLIGHT 643). I heard him spin one time but it was all boring trance when he played.....I absolutely hate Paul fuckin Oakfold the king of trainwrecks of boring trance.....There aint nothing that he makes or spins that don't put me to sleep.... But hey! That's just my opinion. I don't judge DJs on that silly DJ list or that DJ mag silly list. I judge on rather they make me want to dance, with the music they throw down, or if their music don't. I think music is the DJs most important quality! They have to spin flawless too. I have no ideal how Paul Okenfold is even in the top 20 on the DJ list!! He has a reputaion for trainwrecks here in the states! Yeah, they both might have sold a lot of releases somehow...but so does every other big time DJ that is not ranked so high. Anyway....I, myself, am a lover of hard trance and club trance. I haven't heard any good hard trance or club trance from ether....except one old and one more recent from Tiesto. Those two tracks, in my eyes, aren't enough to vaught him up to number 1 though....So, maybe I'm being biased. I like Kai Tracid, Talla 2xlc, Dave 202, DJ Snowman, DJ Abyss, Miss Shiva, and tons of local trance DJs in Frankfurk and Koblenz! I think they would put Paul fuckin Okenfold to school! Tiesto??? I don't know...I've only heard him once...He was flawless when I heard him. Just though his music was boring. But people like him and his music....so...

two entire people are not the sole cause of something dying but the fact is that the biggest names in trance started it, they are usually the ones who come up with all the innovation and ideas in genre's and they are whether we like it or not (or were) the "role models" for alot of trance producers and definitely dictated alot about the style of their specific types of trance. avb was meant to be the next big thing but when he turned so much trance almost into pop and that was that became the most popular type of trance it was never going to do the genre favours.

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Originally posted by the gamemaster back in the day typical progressive trance (or anthem trance) was probably alot of ferry corsten's stuff, or ayla, airscape, avb, three drives on a vinyl, etc. etc. i would call in my memory progressive trance aswell. nowadays alot of it has got so many fucking vocals in it alot of the time its more like epic trance alot of the time or even closer to pop or vocal trance. or in other words shit.

Hmm, those are about the best examples of melodic trance, or anthem as you say, or epic/uplifting/whatever. But not progressive. Ask anyone. I've never seen anyone call corsten, ayla, airscape, avb and three drives progressive.

jam and spoon, matt darey, push, the visions of shiva? man i get so confused between different subgenre's sometimes lol.

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Originally posted by Rick Mage How can one or two people kill trance?? I'm sorry but I just don't think anyone is that significant....Especially Paul fuckin Oakenfold or Tiesto. I've never really liked Tiesto. However, there are two tracks that I have bought for him though. One was in 1998 and one about a year ago (LETHAL INDUSTRY/ FLIGHT 643). I heard him spin one time but it was all boring trance when he played.....I absolutely hate Paul fuckin Oakfold the king of trainwrecks of boring trance.....There aint nothing that he makes or spins that don't put me to sleep.... But hey! That's just my opinion. I don't judge DJs on that silly DJ list or that DJ mag silly list. I judge on rather they make me want to dance, with the music they throw down, or if their music don't. I think music is the DJs most important quality! They have to spin flawless too. I have no ideal how Paul Okenfold is even in the top 20 on the DJ list!! He has a reputaion for trainwrecks here in the states! Yeah, they both might have sold a lot of releases somehow...but so does every other big time DJ that is not ranked so high. Anyway....I, myself, am a lover of hard trance and club trance. I haven't heard any good hard trance or club trance from ether....except one old and one more recent from Tiesto. Those two tracks, in my eyes, aren't enough to vaught him up to number 1 though....So, maybe I'm being biased. I like Kai Tracid, Talla 2xlc, Dave 202, DJ Snowman, DJ Abyss, Miss Shiva, and tons of local trance DJs in Frankfurk and Koblenz! I think they would put Paul fuckin Okenfold to school! Tiesto??? I don't know...I've only heard him once...He was flawless when I heard him. Just though his music was boring. But people like him and his music....so...

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Originally posted by the gamemaster two entire people are not the sole cause of something dying but the fact is that the biggest names in trance started it, they are usually the ones who come up with all the innovation and ideas in genre's and they are whether we like it or not (or were) the "role models" for alot of trance producers and definitely dictated alot about the style of their specific types of trance. avb was meant to be the next big thing but when he turned so much trance almost into pop and that was that became the most popular type of trance it was never going to do the genre favours.

I don't care how big people think they are. They still are not that significant to the trance scene....No one is. Not even my favorite DJ/ producer. Tiesto and Paul fuckin Oakenfold are not the only ones coming up with ideals and tunes. Do you actually think that Kai Tracid or Talla 2XLC are going to look to Tiesto or Paul fuckin Oakenfold for ideals?? lol...Yo, I don't think so. I don't think that Tiesto or Paul fuckin Oakenfold are the biggest names in trance. I personally think that there are a lot of DJs that are just as big as them....in the real world. There are no one person that sticks out above the rest! There's too many great DJs and producers! Don't take that silly DJ mag list seriously. It's nothing but a complete farse.

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Originally posted by the gamemaster jam and spoon, matt darey, push, the visions of shiva? man i get so confused between different subgenre's sometimes lol.

Jam and spoon have done a little bit of everything, but matt darey and push are other examples of melodic, the visions of shiva too, but that was in a slightly different context since it's such an old project.

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Originally posted by the gamemaster back in the day typical progressive trance (or anthem trance) was probably alot of ferry corsten's stuff, or ayla, airscape, avb, three drives on a vinyl, etc. etc. i would call in my memory progressive trance aswell. nowadays alot of it has got so many fucking vocals in it alot of the time its more like epic trance alot of the time or even closer to pop or vocal trance. or in other words shit.

AvB and Airscape are not progressive trance, other than maybe a few tracks.

Breeder, Humate, Bedrock, Evolution, BT, Oliver Lieb (LSG), Sander Kleinenberg, Quivver, Tilt. Those guys did progressive trance.

Ferry? Yeah, if you're talking about his "Albion" alias. Otherwise, no.

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Originally posted by Rick Mage I don't care how big people think they are. They still are not that significant to the trance scene....No one is. Not even my favorite DJ/ producer. Tiesto and Paul fuckin Oakenfold are not the only ones coming up with ideals and tunes. Do you actually think that Kai Tracid or Talla 2XLC are going to look to Tiesto or Paul fuckin Oakenfold for ideals?? lol...Yo, I don't think so. I don't think that Tiesto or Paul fuckin Oakenfold are the biggest names in trance. I personally think that there are a lot of DJs that are just as big as them....in the real world. There are no one person that sticks out above the rest! There's too many great DJs and producers! Don't take that silly DJ mag list seriously. It's nothing but a complete farse.

ah yes there are people who stick out above the rest. and yes they are that significant and ofcourse a kai tracid isnt going to copy them but alot of their fans and people who start to get into the scene and then possibly make music will alot of the time go with the trends. although rarely will u get a sander van doorn or whoever come along and do something unique and different. im not referring to the dj mag list u tool. this is just the reality of this industry, your sasha's, digweeds, pvd's, bt's, etc. dictate alot of the direction that the genre is going to take.

and yea i love all those artists aswell jivejobingles, its just fucking hard to tell the slight differences every time..