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Originally posted by Tranex02 No they are not 'brainwashed'. Yes the bombers are brainwashed, but that's it. They don't just kill themselves cuz 'oh, i can got to heaven this way' It's not that simple. The palestinians don't want Israel, true, but why do think?

that is such BS, they arent brainwashed? you must be kidding me the official textbooks for Palestinian school children (published by the Palestinian Ministry of Education) are innundated with anti-semetic messages and praise of martyrdom and Jihad (read: suicide bombings). http://www.edume.org/reports/index.htm

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"Islam has forbidden flight from the battle and regards this as a grave sin. (Islamic Education for Eighth Grade #576 p. 176)

Eighth graders are told that peace is morally wrong.

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"Determine what is the subject, and what is the predicate, in the following sentences: -The Jihad is a religious duty of every Muslim man and woman." (Our Arabic Language for Fifth Grade #542, p. 167)

Fifth graders are taught that they have a duty to fight religious wars in their grammar lessons.

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"...Martyred Jihad fighters are the most honored people, after the Prophets..." (Reader And Literary Texts for Tenth Grade #607, p. 103)

Tenth graders are assured blessing and honor as martyrs.
Obviously, Israeli children also have pro-Israeli propaganda in their classroom and are raised in a somewhat (I am sure that it varies family by family and city by city.) anti-Arab society, but they are not trained to hate and kill Palestinian civilians. With such inculcation by the PLO, no wonder one of the six suicide bombers in the span of six days were under 22 years old and one was a 18-year-old girl.

how about the fact that there is no freedom of press in palesinian controlled areas? they get force fed the same messages day after day.

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The Israelies don't want the palestinians either!

then how do you explain the fact that the israelis offered them a country with 97% of the territories and east jerusalem as there capitol? how about the fact that we have formal peace with jordan and egypt? no problems with them. those who want peace will get it, israel does, btw the palestians have represented themselves since ths start of the intifada i cant say that they do.

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Last edited by Izzy on Apr-18-2002 at 21:39

Good post Izzy. Some people just aren't willing to open their eyes and see the what's really going on. I bet someone is going to pick apart your post sentence by sentence, saying that "those books aren't used anymore" "Sharon took them away" Bla bla bla bla. Just let them believe what they want to. The facts are right infront of them, it is up to them whether or not they will except those facts or if they are so far into denial that they will only listen to and believe 100% in the statements that support their side. Alot of people seem to make this issue into a one sided "its their fault" and "we are the inocent ones". Im guilty of that as well. I just think that its important to listen to the other side to see where their coming from, eventhough we might not agree.

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please.. its not a fact that palestinians dislikes iraelis, its not a fact that israelis dislikes palestinians

and please, israelis are just as bad as palestinians.. but to see that you have to be from europe or china or some shit like that, a place where you are not brainwashed by neither arabic, israeli or american propaganda, but you have an objective view on the matter

which lots of you guys dont have.... some of you say israelis are angels and palestinians devils.. LOL!!!!! that is so childish, you people need to get educated

other israelis only think about themselves and how they are the victims... think about this, there are ALOT of palestinian families that dont want this war, that dont have nothing against the israelis and they suffer as you guys as well... you are not alone with being victims

and for the last time.. Ariel Sharon is one of the biggest criminals ever, from a war hero to a war criminal.. im sorry, but he is and he needs get put in prison, as do yasser arafat, the whole place needs a restart.

end this stupid discussion, you are not leading anywhere.. you cant accept other people, nor their opinions, so shut up, listen to some uplifting shit and fuck this thread.

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lets not also forget the fact that the israelis elected a warcriminal which by Amnesty International is listed as a true warcriminal playing in the same league as Milosevic.
That indicates how much peace Israelis are out for.
The only israeli leader that really wanted peace and could discuss it with arafat was Yhitzak Rabbin but a nationalistic sionist shot him.
Call me nazi, call be ignorant. But i know one thing. You israelis got no support from neither me, my friends and thousands other swedes (Swedens viceminister announced today that she bans israeli merchandise and she advise others to do the same)
You got no fuckin support at all from us.

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Please read this Isreali's and then tell me how you can even fathom defending your filthy and disgusting excuse of a murderous military!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wo...000/1937387.stm

Be ashamed of yourselves

P.S I hope that fat ball of shit Sharon burns to death

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Last edited by Cyrus King on Apr-19-2002 at 01:23

Consider the following scenario.

A person A is replaced by person B on a very well paid job. For that person A, kills person B. You are a son of person B. Now repeat this process a 100 times. What do you do?

Israel would've have NEVER EVER invaded Jenin, if it wasn't for a series of suicide bombings commited by Palestinians.

Anybody still remember how some asshole palestinian blew himself up at a disco? Freakin' DISCO !!! Do you still remember Israely's respose??? Israel continued on "cease fire". But Israel doesn't have unlimited patience. Eventually it comes to an end.
Palestinian's knew very well what they were getting into. There is a price for terrorism.

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You alll most see the differnece between the folk and the leaders. The Hamas, etc. want war @this very moment, but Israeli religious fanatics want war as well.

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oh and that UN-comment about Jenin is just Anti-Israel propaganda

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Wow, I'm surprised this has gone 8 pages. I would have thought that things would have petered out by now.

(for the record, I support the existence of both Israel and Palestina as fully independent states)

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Originally posted by Durafei Consider the following scenario. A person A is replaced by person B on a very well paid job. For that person A, kills person B. You are a son of person B. Now repeat this process a 100 times. What do you do? Israel would've have NEVER EVER invaded Jenin, if it wasn't for a series of suicide bombings commited by Palestinians. Anybody still remember how some asshole palestinian blew himself up at a disco? Freakin' DISCO !!! Do you still remember Israely's respose??? Israel continued on "cease fire". But Israel doesn't have unlimited patience. Eventually it comes to an end. Palestinian's knew very well what they were getting into. There is a price for terrorism.

umm.. are you stupid or anything? do you think palestinians give up their lives for nothing? of course the israeli has done just as bad stuff against the palestinians

of all these iraelis that got dead, of all these palestinians and americans, those that killed them were idiots, because ariel sharon, yasser arafat and george w. bush are still alive

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Originally posted by cweb oh and that UN-comment about Jenin is just Anti-Israel propaganda

Yes I thought so too... I can disprove the arugment from the text above very easily, since I use critical reasoning and do not jump to conclusions.

Furthermore Amnesty International is biased, I have proven this in the last middle east thread. The fact is they are not an independent human rights watch organization, but indeed a independent political group. They put their political agenda way infront of their human rights. I can prove again as well if you like.

They do not critize both parties in equal light. If you have a standard and do not uphold it against all parties equally, it is not a standard.

The only one that does actually do a decent job of trying to be impartial and unbiased is the International Red Cross.

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umm.. are you stupid or anything? do you think palestinians give up their lives for nothing? of course the israeli has done just as bad stuff against the palestinians

Gimme 3 examples where Israeli people provoked Palestinians?

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