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Originally posted by Magnetonium OK, back to being serious. More on Hutchison.

Dude, Hutchison is a joke. You only have to read his page on wiki to realize that he's just another fake muddled wanabe physicist and also a conspiracy theorist. Whom would you believe ? A self taught experimenter who's discoveries never stood up to a closer scientific scrutiny or the director of a NASA space propulsion program who has a PhD in his field ?

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In a posting to the sci.physics.research newsgroup, Marc Millis, who ran the now-defunct Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Program for NASA, wrote: This "Hutchison Effect" has been claimed for years, without any independent verification — ever. In fact, its originator can't even replicate it on demand. This has been investigated more than once, been part of documentaries on The Discovery Channel, but still never seems to pass critical muster. This is in the category of folklore. In general, the "American Antigravity" web site caters to such folklore and its enthusiasts.

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Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

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Originally posted by Omega_M Dude, Hutchison is a joke. You only have to read his page on wiki to realize that he's just another fake muddled wanabe physicist and also a conspiracy theorist. Whom would you believe ? A self taught experimenter who's discoveries never stood up to a closer scientific scrutiny or the director of a NASA space propulsion program who has a PhD in his field ?

Are you kidding? Everyone with a degree in anything are in cahoots in order to deceive the world. Everything from UFOs to buildings collapsing.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN dont argue with the yanks nutter, they know best!

Here is one of the ex U.S millitary sgt describing his experiences.

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Originally posted by eROs.au Are you kidding? Everyone with a degree in anything are in cahoots in order to deceive the world. Everything from UFOs to buildings collapsing.

But of course, everyone knows venues for higher education have been infiltrated by psy-ops and bones and skulls for years! Universities are a beacon of disinformation.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by Omega_M dude, please stop speculating on the future propulsion technology. Words like these don't even make any sense. You are mixing a lot of concepts here. You will need something to create anti gravity force or whatever it takes to fly the aircraft. You will always need a mechanism for propulsion, which requires fuel that will be used to expend energy to overcome resistive forces (in this case, gravity)

You don't need fuel. We already have a unlimited supply, and it fills every inch of space.

It's called zero point energy. We know it exists, but we don't have the technology to harness it yet...

See halfway down the page here:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/r...ssible.html#vac

I've got your zero point energy right here *rude gesture*

Seriously though, how much money has been spent exploring the nothingness that is outer space? Have we found jeebus yet? No?

We should have been exploring the oceans. Maybe we would have a better understanding of how the planet works and why it's trying to kill us off instead of picking up moon rocks. I can find those up my nose, thanks.

I saw something on CNN where these two dudes were saying that the government would make a huge revelation in the coming weeks regarding UFO's.

Watch me hold my breath.

And yeah, if they parade some little green men around I'll eat my words Sarcasm tastes like chicken!!

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Originally posted by Capitalizt You don't need fuel. We already have a unlimited supply, and it fills every inch of space. It's called zero point energy. We know it exists, but we don't have the technology to harness it yet... See halfway down the page here: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/r...ssible.html#vac

Well yeah, there is a huge difference between theoretical possibilities and practical applications.

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Can we tap into this energy? It is doubtful that this can be tapped, and if it could be tapped, it is unknown what the secondary consequences would be. Remember that this is our lowest energy point. To get energy out, you presumably need to be at a lower energy state. Theoretical methods have been suggested to take advantage of the Casimir effect to extract energy (let the plates collapse and do work in the process) since the region inside the Casimir cavity can be interpreted as being at a lower energy state. Such concepts are only at the point of theoretical exercises at this point. With such large amount of energy, why is it so hard to notice? Imagine, for example, if you lived on a large plateau, so large that you didn't know you were 1000 ft up. From your point of view, your ground is at zero height. As long as you're not near the edge of your 1000 ft plateau, you won't fall off, and you will never know that your zero is really 1000. It's kind of the same way with this vacuum energy. It is essentially our zero reference point. What about propulsion implications? The vacuum fluctuations have also been theorized by Haisch, Rueda, and Puthoff to cause gravity and inertia. Those particular gravity theories are still up for debate. Even if the theories are correct, in their present form they do not provide a means to use electromagnetic means to induce propulsive forces. It has also been suggested by Millis that any asymmetric interactions with the vacuum energy might provide a propulsion effect.

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Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Care to get into detail? I am not talking about hovercraft here, btw. OK, I admit I confused magnetism and gravity. I shall get more technical then. I am talking about Nikola Tesla's designs many years ago of an Anti-Gravity Machine. Heck, 100 years Tesla even proposed use of technology that was not dependent on electricity ... if you read his works and designs, he was the greatest genius who had ever lived! And its not only my opinion ... Summation of Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity http://www.netowne.com/technology/important/

No, I can't get into detail here. Just trust me when I say DARPA has already been there done that.

OMG, a poster on TA has insider information about a top secret anti gravity project executed by DARPA. Holy crap !!!

Are we being misled by the director of the Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Program at NASA ?

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...in general, the "American Antigravity" web site caters to such folklore and its enthusiasts.

Or does the NASA not know about these things ?

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Edit : In case you missed my point, this is what it implies :

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Originally posted by pmoisse I've got your zero point energy right here *rude gesture* Seriously though, how much money has been spent exploring the nothingness that is outer space? Have we found jeebus yet? No? We should have been exploring the oceans. Maybe we would have a better understanding of how the planet works and why it's trying to kill us off instead of picking up moon rocks. I can find those up my nose, thanks. I saw something on CNN where these two dudes were saying that the government would make a huge revelation in the coming weeks regarding UFO's. Watch me hold my breath. And yeah, if they parade some little green men around I'll eat my words Sarcasm tastes like chicken!!

It's not like these projects are all or nothing. There's plenty of research being done on oceans as well.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN dont argue with the yanks nutter, they know best!

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Originally posted by Omega_M Dude, Hutchison is a joke. You only have to read his page on wiki to realize that he's just another fake muddled wanabe physicist and also a conspiracy theorist. Whom would you believe ? A self taught experimenter who's discoveries never stood up to a closer scientific scrutiny or the director of a NASA space propulsion program who has a PhD in his field ?

You are probably right. Hutchison is actually a mile away from the main point of this thread anyway, I veered away - my fault - I wasnt in the right mind when I posted that. Hutchison, from my own research is pretty sketchy character and questionable, I admit. Though he does bring to light Tesla's concepts that will likely be a hot topic in the years to come, and a very understandable direction where our propulsion might be heading in the future. I believe that it is possible to navigate craft in the air using gravity repelling forces. It makes so much sense, and not much of a science fiction with new technology and understanding of gravity and magnetism.

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