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Isn't the US suppose to be like the EU already? I mean we have 50 states and all are suppose to be run differently like it said in the constitution that all these states can run the way the people want and not have to worry about federal prosecution. All well. People forgot about that too.

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Isn't the US suppose to be like the EU already? I mean we have 50 states and all are suppose to be run differently like it said in the constitution that all these states can run the way the people want and not have to worry about federal prosecution. All well. People forgot about that too.


No. The US is a Federal Republic. There are two sets of laws. State law, and federal law. Federal law almost always trumps state law. So for instance, California allows medical use of marijuana. Unfortunately, federal agencies can still arrest cancer patients and anyone using marijuana, because agencies like the Drug Enforcement Agency operate under federal law. They don't care about what Californian laws. The EU is a union of sovereign states. The states in the US are commonwealths, given the power to legislate state law, but not federal law.


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No. The US is a Federal Republic. There are two sets of laws. State law, and federal law. Federal law almost always trumps state law. So for instance, Denver decriminalized marijuana about a year ago. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that federal agent's can't arrest you for smoking weed in Denver, because they operate on federal law, not the law of Denver proper. The EU is a union of sovereign states. The states in the US are commonwealths, given the power to legislate state law, but not federal law.
But I was under the impresion that state laws run for the way people want and federal laws are meant to protect the people of the commonwealth from foreign threat only. I don't know it's just what I thought was the way the US was suppose to be run.

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Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people

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But I was under the impresion that state laws run for the way people want and federal laws are meant to protect the people of the commonwealth from foreign threat only. I don't know it's just what I thought was the way the US was suppose to be run.


True, state law is legislated by referendums and people's sentiments. Unfortunately, our federal law is very different. There are no referendums, or direct democracy. I wish it were so. Federal law is legislation for the "benefit" of the entire federation of states. States essentially surrender their sovereignty to the central federal government. I think in the EU, the states still have sovereignty? Like France and Germany still have sovereignty and don't surrender it to the EU?


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True, state law is legislated by referendums and people's sentiments. Unfortunately, our federal law is very different. There are no referendums, or direct democracy. I wish it were so. Federal law is legislation for the "benefit" of the entire federation of states. States essentially surrender their sovereignty to the central federal government. I think in the EU, the states still have sovereignty? Like France and Germany still have sovereignty and don't surrender it to the EU?

Yes, the EU have sovereignty and they are suppose to work together though for the benefit of their people. The states were suppose to be like that....shucks.

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Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people


Yes, whatever powers not given to the central government are given to the state governments. So states can make their own laws, but they must not violate the constitution (law of the land). But sometimes, federal law and state law conflict with each other, and so states will sue the central government in federal court, and they fight it out.


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Senator Brogdon (Oklahoma) discusses the North American Union with G. Gordon Liddy









This video is very important, IMO. Sen Brogdon and G. Gordon Liddy are far from being "conspiracy theorists."

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This video is very important, IMO. Sen Brogdon and G. Gordon Liddy are far from being "conspiracy theorists."
If they are not conspiracy theorists than what are they?

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If they are not conspiracy theorists than what are they?


Conspiracy realists

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unless people wake up soon, there will no longer be a USA






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