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Originally posted by beats and beeps do you think that without it i would have the same violent/sexual feelings towards my father?

probably. youre just that kinda guy.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers

If I saw this dude on the street (and he wasn't famous, so I didn't know who he was), I'd probably think, "my god, this guy probably molests the frail and the elderly."

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Originally posted by NeoPhono If I saw this dude on the street (and he wasn't famous, so I didn't know who he was), I'd probably think, "my god, this guy probably molests the frail and the elderly."

you obviously don't understand genesis.

and don't even get me started about phil colins because his solo work is fucking awesome

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yea phil collins was a major stepping stone for today's pop artists. and we all know how wonderful they are. lol

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

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Originally posted by Marc Summers and don't even get me started about phil colins because his solo work is fucking awesome

my solo work is pretty awesome too. i can use both hands.

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Originally posted by Orbax you know something is going on when google images cant find a single picture of actual , happening right now, child abuse. I mean, I search for splicing electrical wires and ill get a guy with a forked dick but when I try to find beating kids, slapping children, etc...not a single thing. Not even a bruised kid. fucking censorship

hahahahaha

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Originally posted by Slylee wrong. half of America's kids are as shit as they are because they have every goddamn luxury and electronics device in their rooms, nicer cars than their teachers giving them an education and because their parents are too fucking lazy to give a shit. not because they're not smacking them when they act up.

It's so nice to be able to blame these sorts of things for behaviour, isn't it?

ADD is a rare disorder that is one of the most disgustingly over-diagnosed phenomenons in a long time. Teacher wants a class full of calm, obedient children who don't cause her to smoke from stress; so teacher goes ahead and recommends to parents that they take their child to a psychiatrist because the child doesn't want to pay attention while teacher drones on from her prescribed 50 year-old textbooks;so they medicate the majority of the class with meth so that nobody asks questions or thinks or explores for themselves

You're definitely right about their parents not really giving a shit though. It's a sad state of affairs and chemical dependency is becoming more and more an intrinsic part of the generations. And you know who wins? Pharmaceutical Corporations.

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak i love how the whites are like oh no, and the non whites are for the beating.

haha, let it be known that I love black moms. White parents and kids, they walk into a store, their kid rips the place apart, mom says "no. don't do that" and they leave after the kid has ripped everything apart for a few more minutes and mom is bored with the store anyways. Black parents and their kids...kid touches one thing and mom just has to look at them with that one eye...that deep look...that look that KNOWS what they've done...the look that they've seen before and were soundly beaten for whatever they did.

Kids should be disciplined. They don't know any better. They aren't just going to pick it up as they go along and sometimes you simply cannot just sit them down and have a nice talk about the bad things that they've done. It was determined a good 50 years ago through mountains of psychological studies that children are far different than adults and reason far differently, so don't treat them as though they are just "little grown-ups". They can certainly act the part at times (through imitating you or others) but they have not yet reached the point where they reason as adults do and it is a parent's job to teach them how to socialize and how to act accordingly.

As far as physical discipline being abuse - yeah, sometimes it is. But sometimes it isn't. I understand a bit where Frenchie's coming from - that I wouldn't want to beat my child and that they should understand that I love them and that they should not fear me, but I also know it is important to make your children understand what's wrong and what isn't and to fear the actual consequences of a wrong act, not the hand that disciplines them. Hitting them out of anger is not the most prudent way of reinforcing behaviour but just because you are physically disciplining them doesn't mean you have to be angry about it. I know my dad never hurt me when I was spanked - it was merely the shame I felt in being spanked that changed my behaviour, not the actual physical aspect, even if I was being physically disciplined.

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Originally posted by Frenchie Verbal abuse hits harder. A bruise can heal, A bone can heal..but emotional scars...do not heal.

I definitely agree with this. But in that same light, do you really want to leave your children with emotional scars? I would hope not.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I definitely agree with this. But in that same light, do you really want to leave your children with emotional scars? I would hope not.

Nooo, no I don't. I don't think YELLING at your kids is any better than SPANKING then. I don't know when talking nicely went out of style and when kids starting acting like hooligans.

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Originally posted by Frenchie Nooo, no I don't. I don't think YELLING at your kids is any better than SPANKING then. I don't know when talking nicely went out of style and when kids starting acting like hooligans.

I think you've got that backwards...only talking nicely has gone into style and "hooligans" have arisen as a consequence of a lack of discipline. That's not necessarily from just a lack of physical punishment though, but a lack of discipline all together from apathetic parents.

I'm not saying that this is always the case, but I have seen it in some... It's very easy for parents to not have to discipline their kids the way they should by just stating that they are practicing "modern" parenting which means no verbal or physical confrontations with their kids. It's much easier (and much more lazy) to put in a half-assed effort of "time outs" and "talks" than it is to actually teach a kid right and wrong and that there are consequences for bad behavior. I think for many parents, getting on a soap box and preaching the merits of a punishment-free environment is a way of justifying sheer laziness. They can make themselves feel better about it by convincing themselves that they're raising children free of some non-existent physical or psychological trauma, but in reality they're raising kids that are uncontrollable and unable to interact appropriately with other people and other surroundings.

Between 13 and 17 I was sort of 'nanny' to two younger cousins when I was living with my aunt. She used to try the speaking thing to them and they where literally rolling right off the rails and getting away with virtually everything.
And she put up with it.
"Robbie don't do that, Michael stop hitting your brother, Robbie stop hitting your brother, Michael don't do that"
Blah Blah Blah over and over, which they ignored unless my uncle was around.
I didn't put up with it, I thought they where an embarrassment to the family every time we'd go out and these little bastards would be ripping stuff up, screaming, fighting and carrying on. So I beat the absolute crap out of them with a rolled up copy of Cleo, it was a nice thick, weighty tome of high gloss paper, fashion tips and pain.
Only had to whack them with it a couple of time over a few years and they stopped being idiots, after that it only took a look, maybe a scowl and they wouldn't dare do anything stupid.