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Originally posted by jennypie That's not what I'm saying at all. WHOOSH!

please explain.

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Originally posted by OutcastTO please explain.

Wow.

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Originally posted by jennypie Yeah, that's the exact kind of fucking bullshit I'm talking about. Equal opportunity is such a crock. You want a fucking job or a break in life, EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY!! Fuck sakes. Fuck these people.

It's hard to tell if your joking or not, so it makes meaningful conversation difficult. If you are, it's somewhat tasteless. If you are not, well, the fact that you caps "EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY" suggests that you don't even see the contradiction in your statements.

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Originally posted by Deam It's hard to tell if your joking or not, so it makes meaningful conversation difficult. If you are, it's somewhat tasteless. If you are not, well, the fact that you caps "EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY" suggests that you don't even see the contradiction in your statements.

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Originally posted by Deam It's hard to tell if your joking or not, so it makes meaningful conversation difficult. If you are, it's somewhat tasteless. If you are not, well, the fact that you caps "EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY" suggests that you don't even see the contradiction in your statements.

What contradictions? With few exceptions, I think people should earn things the honest way, and not because they've been victimized, or whatever other crock of shit..like the fellow in this article. Pretty simple concept.

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Originally posted by jennypie What contradictions? With few exceptions, I think people should earn things the honest way, and not because they've been victimized, or whatever other crock of shit..like the fellow in this article. Pretty simple concept.

So to paraphrase:

The Government of Ontario CAN call this guy a "ghetto dude" internally and this POLI SCI student should suck it up and apply for what other provincial government located in Toronto?

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Originally posted by OutcastTO So to paraphrase: The Government of Ontario CAN call this guy a "ghetto dude" internally and this POLI SCI student should suck it up and apply for what other provincial government located in Toronto?

Uh no, lol. Good lord, what the fuck is wrong with you people???

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Originally posted by jennypie What contradictions? With few exceptions, I think people should earn things the honest way, and not because they've been victimized, or whatever other crock of shit..like the fellow in this article. Pretty simple concept.

What do you call the honest way then? I guess the first question is, are you referring specifically to this case, or is this your veiw generally?

I would say this, if he got the job now based solely on his claim of victimizaiton, and an attempt to placate him, then, you would be correct based on your statements. I mean we can be blunt and say, if this man got the job at this point because of the victimization, ************ that there were more qualified people, then yes, that is not earning it based on merit and ability.

However, when you then talk about merit and ability, i.e. "EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY" you seem to disregard the fact that someone with equal or greater merit or ability is passed over due to some other reason, which is a direct contradiction to what you are saying. If they guy wasn't getting a fair review of his application or credentials because he was black, how is that based on merit or ability? To be honest, I don't know how he stacked up to the rest of the candidates for the job. I don't think we'll ever know. He may not even get the job.

I think, though, what this illustrates is that potentially deragatory and discriminatory behaviour happens to various groups of people, and this was just a case where it was made public. It may very well be that her reference to the man as "ghetto dude" was, as I suspect, simply a poor use of identifier. However, it is not a far stretch for the applicant, after learning how he has been described, to be concerned that he is not in fact being judged based on his merit and ability alone.

Do you disagree with this possibility?

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Originally posted by Deam What do you call the honest way then? I guess the first question is, are you referring specifically to this case, or is this your veiw generally?

I mean the person who is best qualified to do the job, should get the job. Yes, that's my view generally.

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Originally posted by Deam However, when you then talk about merit and ability, i.e. "EARN IT OF YOUR OWN MERIT AND ABILITY" you seem to disregard the fact that someone with equal or greater merit or ability is passed over due to some other reason, which is a direct contradiction to what you are saying. If they guy wasn't getting a fair review of his application or credentials because he was black, how is that based on merit or ability? To be honest, I don't know how he stacked up to the rest of the candidates for the job. I don't think we'll ever know. He may not even get the job.

Yeah I understand all that, but that's why I made it clear at the beginning of the thread that it wasn't the issue that stood out to me. So no, it isn't in contradiction to what I'm saying. It's actually irrelevant to what I'm saying.

Since being called "ghetto dude", this guy has been claiming racial victimisation, and now he's getting all kinds of job offers because of it. I think that's fucking bullshit. Plain and simple.

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Originally posted by Deam I think, though, what this illustrates is that potentially deragatory and discriminatory behaviour happens to various groups of people, and this was just a case where it was made public. It may very well be that her reference to the man as "ghetto dude" was, as I suspect, simply a poor use of identifier. However, it is not a far stretch for the applicant, after learning how he has been described, to be concerned that he is not in fact being judged based on his merit and ability alone. Do you disagree with this possibility?

Not at all. And again, if you had read my earlier posts, I said very clearly that that wasn't even what I took issue with. That's a whole other part of this argument that I've never been discussing in this thread.

Fair enough, then I misunderstood your posts and my comments are generally off the mark with respect to you. Indeed, if the job offers are simply based on the victimization, than it may not be on merit or skill, but just giving someone a break. Or, on the other hand, they may have followed up with him based on his CV and credentials. I don't know.

Admittedly, I was thrown off of your specific point, pegging you for a blatant racist. With such comments like: "Yeah the issue here is that this dumb fuck is acting like a Jew about the whole thing." and the picture you posted, it was hard not to think that you simply didn't care that a black person felt that he was being discriminated against or had derogatory comments made against him. It's hard to tell when people are joking or not on these forums.

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Originally posted by Deam With such comments like: "Yeah the issue here is that this dumb fuck is acting like a Jew about the whole thing." and the picture you posted, it was hard not to think that you simply didn't care that a black person felt that he was being discriminated against or had derogatory comments made against him. It's hard to tell when people are joking or not on these forums.

Bahahahaha. There there, you'll learn. *pat on head*

I'll be here all week btw. Try the steak, and don't forget to tip your waitress.



edit: Oh shit, you've been here since 2001? Goddamn son, maybe you should have registered in the general level courses.

Yeah, I've been here for a while, just haven't read enough of your posts to know that the line between humour and crassness is crossed so readily. If that's what they teach in the general level courses, sign me up.

I've already tried the steak, it was a bit overdone.