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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i dunno man, murdering a 16 year old girl because she was raped seems pretty harsh to me. atefah sahaaleh perhaps the anger should be expressed across a wider platform of countries, but there's certainly reason enough to single iran out for their crimes against humanity.

Damnn, we need to bring that judge who gave her the death penalty here. I propose we let the Village People rape him for a few days (while singing "YMCA"), then publicly execute him.

I mean, we have soooo much to learn from the Iranian judicial justice system.

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Originally posted by CHRles I mean, we have soooo much to learn from the Iranian judicial justice system.

your judicial justice system is laughable.

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Mr. Ahmadinejad began: “At the outset, I want to complain a bit about the person who read this political statement against me. In Iran, tradition requires that when we invite a person to be a speaker, we actually respect our students and the professors by allowing them to make their own judgment and we don’t think it’s necessary before the speech is even given to come in with a series of claims…” The room erupted in applause. Mr. Ahmadinejad added: “…and to attempt to provide a vaccination of sorts to our faculty and students. The text, more than addressing me, was an insult to the audience here. In a university environment, we must allow people to speak their mind, to allow everyone to talk, so that the truth is eventually revealed by all.”

I'm sorry, but whether you love him or hate him, he was dead right on this. Mr. Bollinger really insulted the audience by telling them what to believe before the guest speaker even took the stage. It's the popular criticism of the media and it does not belong anywhere near an academic setting where the free exchange of ideas, however controversial or wrong they may be, is the rule and not the exception.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I'm sorry, but whether you love him or hate him, he was dead right on this. Mr. Bollinger really insulted the audience by telling them what to believe before the guest speaker even took the stage. It's the popular criticism of the media and it does not belong anywhere near an academic setting where the free exchange of ideas, however controversial or wrong they may be, is the rule and not the exception.

Yeah, how dare they. Columbia is only one of the most renowned universities on the planet. How can this be? LOL
Columbia is considered to be a very liberal academic setting, so if even the president of such an institution insinuates such things, chances are most scholars at other prestigious universities feel the same way.
Columbia's president called him (the guest speaker) out rightfully so the same way he would a member of the KKK, or if a dictator like Idi Amin was there.

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Originally posted by CHRles Yeah, how dare they. Columbia is only one of the most renowned universities on the planet. How can this be? LOL Columbia is considered to be a very liberal academic setting, so if even the president of such an institution insinuates such things, chances are most scholars at other prestigious universities feel the same way. Columbia's president called him (the guest speaker) out rightfully so the same way he would a member of the KKK, or if a dictator like Idi Amin was there.

you sound like someone that has never benefited from higher education. Lebezniatnikov (and Ahmadinejad) is completely correct in his assessment.

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Originally posted by CHRles Yeah, how dare they. Columbia is only one of the most renowned universities on the planet. How can this be? LOL

Precisely why it is upsetting that their President spat in the face of such a reputation.

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Columbia is considered to be a very liberal academic setting, so if even the president of such an institution insinuates such things, chances are most scholars at other prestigious universities feel the same way.

I don't follow. First, I'm not so sure that SIPA is such a liberal school. As I'm currently in a similar International Affairs masters program, I can think of several other programs I would classify as more liberal. And second, I don't even see how that is relevant at all. The President of the University does not reflect an academic program's content or the political leanings of its students (or faculty).

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Columbia's president called him (the guest speaker) out rightfully so the same way he would a member of the KKK, or if a dictator like Idi Amin was there.

Haha, this one made me chuckle. Idi Amin was widely lauded in the West for years. And comparing the respect due an elected leader of a sovereign nation (even one not on your travel list) to an organization like the KKK is just ignorant.

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Originally posted by CHRles Columbia's president called him (the guest speaker) out rightfully so the same way he would a member of the KKK, or if a dictator like Idi Amin was there.

wow so now you are comparing him to the KKK?whats next?

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the comparison to the KKK is valid b/c of Iran's stance on homosexuality, just as a KKK member would talk about white supremacy.

Columbia, like all the ivy leagues and most major unversities leans more liberal/democrat then republican. The notion that only Republicans feel a certain way about Iran and its leaders is simply not true. That's what I was trying to say.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you sound like someone that has never benefited from higher education. Lebezniatnikov (and Ahmadinejad) is completely correct in his assessment.

And yet, I'm already working on a Masters. As I've stated in another post, my first degree was from a university in FL, and as most ppl on this forum know my political leanings tilt more on the left.

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Originally posted by CHRles the comparison to the KKK is valid b/c of Iran's stance on homosexuality, just as a KKK member would talk about white supremacy.

Baloney. That's a logical fallacy. Finding one common denominator does not equate the two in any way or form. It's like saying that because monkeys and starfish are both living things, they must be exactly the same, and equally boring.

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Columbia, like all the ivy leagues and most major unversities leans more liberal/democrat then republican. The notion that only Republicans feel a certain way about Iran and its leaders is simply not true. That's what I was trying to say.

And like I said, the position of the President of a university has very little to do with the traditional political leanings of said institution. And it doesn't matter. What he said was still stupid and counterproductive. It was tantamount to baiting Ahmadenijad and insulting to the audience.

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Originally posted by LazFX That would be a blessing....the country music that is

You'd be surprised where Country music is popular.
For example, one of the highest rated stations in Tampa plays Country, and the other Country station also seems to fair well:
http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRa...10/19/2007&CE=0

Or in some place like San Diego:
http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRa...10/16/2007&CE=0

Or over in Seattlehttp://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRa...10/19/2007&CE=0

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov It was tantamount to baiting Ahmadenijad and insulting to the audience.

It was soooo insulting that most of the audience cheered on Columbia's University president and clapped their hands.