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Originally posted by Chris Allen Wtf is that?

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Well that sucks cause I voted for DJ Dan this year and last. Its too bad that he is taking the rip for what this guy did. Dan you are still in my top five.

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Originally posted by Invasionmix 1 Paul Van Dyke 2 Armin Van Buuren 3 Tiesto 4 DJ Dan 5 Christopher Lawrence 6 Ferry Corsten 7 Sasha 8 John Digweed 9 Above & Beyond 10 Deep Dish 11 Carl Cox 12 Infected Mushroom 13 ATB 14 Paul Oakenfold 15 Hernan Cattaneo 16 Judge Jules 17 Eddie Halliwell 18 Marco V 19 Markus Schulz 20 Gabriel & Dresden Obscure DJ's you've never heard of? All these DJs are extremely popular all over the world, you probably havn't heard of them yet, but they all (well most of them besides the #4 and #5 spots) earned their spots.

DJ Dan is not "extremely" popular all over the world and waaayyy out of his league on that list, CL to some extent as well. That was evident w/o any DJ Mag investigation.

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Originally posted by SuperJimbo Regardless, even if they didn't know, I think they should be held accountable. Such is life when sh*t goes down on your watch.

Strange, that's not how it works in any other industry.

Mine is IT. A simple example is if the CTO or one of the sysadmins decides to use bootleg software instead of licensing it legally. It's only the CEO's responsibility if there's clear evidence that he was advised of what was going on and what the consequences were. Some shadier CEOs try to maneuver themselves into a plausible deniability situation, and any IT professional worth his salt is always very careful to leave an e-mail trail because he knows he'll be the one liable if CAST comes sniffing.

SEOs do all sorts of dirty tricks to boost search engine rankings. A lot of them are against the TOS or just downright illegal. The people who hired them are not liable because the SEOs never actually tell anyone what they do.

Christopher Lawrence could probably never legitimately score in the top 10 in a popularity contest, that's true, but he's always been reasonably high on the top 100, and I think he's earned at least that much legitimately. Almost every kind of marketing is a little bit shady, a little bit on the weasel side to begin with, so Christopher Lawrence might have been suspicious, but his marketing manager could have offered any number of unlikely but plausible excuses: sock puppets, spam, sex, free beer, whatever. Really good marketing can do all sorts of seemingly-impossible things.

The reality is that people generally aren't liable for things that happen "on their watch", legally or morally, unless their own responsibilities specifically include... well, watching those things. In my IT example for instance, if one of the grunts installs pirated software or uses the mail server to send out spam, the responsibility does generally fall to the CTO because it's his job to stay on top of this. But it doesn't extend further, all the way to the CEO, because the CEO has no involvement whatsoever in that aspect of the business. Same if one of the accountants is cooking the books. If the accountant was stupid and didn't leave any sort of a paper trail to the CEO, then it's the accountant who takes the heat.

DJ Dan and Christopher Lawrence probably have very little involvement in their marketing managers' day-to-day activities. I know that if I were in their position, I wouldn't really give a flying fuck what he was doing to get me contracts, as long as he was getting me contracts. I'd obviously fire him if I found out that he was doing anything sketchy - and that's exactly what the DJs did.

Surely if the DJs authorized it, then this guy would have been careful enough to get it in writing?

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^ excellent post, Digi

wow, I think this is officially the first time I agree with you!

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Originally posted by DigiNut DJ Dan and Christopher Lawrence probably have very little involvement in their marketing managers' day-to-day activities. I know that if I were in their position, I wouldn't really give a flying fuck what he was doing to get me contracts, as long as he was getting me contracts. I'd obviously fire him if I found out that he was doing anything sketchy - and that's exactly what the DJs did. Surely if the DJs authorized it, then this guy would have been careful enough to get it in writing?

it could be that they both had little involvement in this but it's kinda weird that dj dan himself wasn't surprised how he got to #5 from #24 in one year (staying on the same spot from the previous year) and having almost no accomplishments throughout that time to deserve such a jump.

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Originally posted by geroin

yeah and same goes for christopher lawrence.. all of a sudden a guy who doesnt even get invited to tranceenergy any year/hasnt produced anything period (no really he hasnt even produced -a- track in 2 years) gets top 4 on djmag and he doesnt recognize something is up and so what.. just smiles an nods and pretends luck/friends/myspace on his side..hm

I have an idea ... someone pay that Japanese guy to rig Tiesto's numbers so that Tiesto can get kicked off the DJ Mag list for the fun of it (especially good for the people who dont like him) !

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Originally posted by Scoops anyone who uses this poll to base DJs on their skills needs to take a step back, shut off the computer and walk their ass backwards into on coming traffic These polls are nothing more then marketing tools and just cuz a DJ dropps a few spots doesn't mean his stock is goin to go down nor does it mean that his booking fee is going to go down. Look at Jonathan Peters and his DJ times award for best DJ in American in 2006. Is JP really better then DT. Fuck NO but he did get more gigs out of it including a headling spot at Space during WMC and Rehab in Vegas. But it kinda backfired on him cuz he got boo'd off both times

Gee, thanks. Didn't we come to this conclusion 7 years ago? lol

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Originally posted by robbiej yeah and same goes for christopher lawrence.. all of a sudden a guy who doesnt even get invited to tranceenergy any year/hasnt produced anything period (no really he hasnt even produced -a- track in 2 years) gets top 4 on djmag and he doesnt recognize something is up and so what.. just smiles an nods and pretends luck/friends/myspace on his side..hm

WOW.... just, fuck.....


I really, really hope that you're joking.

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Originally posted by SPANIARD WOW.... just, fuck..... I really, really hope that you're joking.

just laugh it off Ben ... even if he is not joking

hahahaha

Nice Post Digi

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