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| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
if citizens have a will to be pure on their own, why do they need laws to enforce morality? |
In my opinion (not sure what the intentions of the founders of the country were), establishing laws such as the shutting down of commerce for each prayer time was to make it easier for the citizens to follow their religion. I think a lot of the rules are there as a matter of convenience. In a utopia, citizens would all be such impeccable believers that you're right, such laws wouldn't be necessary. Some people are more devout than others, and I guess the Saudi regime believes that establishing strict laws where pain and life may be risked, it will make the messages in the Quran clearer to follow! The regime assumes their interpretation is correct, of course, which is always debatable (due to the embedding of Saudi culture in their laws).
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
If the motivation provided by Islam is so great, why does Saudi need all the oppressive laws and extreme punishments?
The truth is that most people want some debauchery now and then. When premarital sex and alcohol and all sorts of other things are available, people like indulging in them.
But the old men who rule these primitive backwaters will have none of it. |
The motivation provided by Islam is no greater than Judaism and Christianity! It's up to people to embody the principles and follow them. Again, your perspective of oppression and extreme is different from the people who live there. I share the frustration with you that there can be isolated decisions made by a judge(s) that appear to be too harsh or inappropriate, but that doesn't mean the law or more importantly the religion itself should be questioned.
Trust me, there's lots of premarital sex and alcohol going on in Saudi Arabia (I was there till 18 ffs!   ) especially on a couple of palace visits. (On another note--you may hate these guys so much but if you just had a chance to experience first-hand how they live--lol you'll probably hate them more!!!! but have SO much fun!  ) But the smart citizen knows how to be discreet, just like here. If you want to have an orgy, you're not going to go to a public building and do it in public view!!!
Yes, the above scenario is not ideal, that you don't have as many freedoms for debauchery as you do here, and you have to hide to do what you really want (at least the few badasses like us). However, I think you should respect the fact that intention of the religious/legal system is to promote virtue and minimize vice, which is a commendable venture (albeit results in a few deplorable consequences).
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
Well, technically you can't rape any of the men in their families because that would make you a homosexual and Pakistani civil law punishes those who have gay sex with two years to life in prison. |
Well, maybe I WANT to go to prison to have more gay sex!!! Ever thought of that?!!?  (I see you corrected the logic in your original post Smart!  )
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Maybe that's what's making you feel sick and you don't know it?
