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Originally posted by leph555 guys where the fuck is this all supposed to be going?

The same could be asked of religion

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Originally posted by leph555 guys where the fuck is this all supposed to be going?

oops wrong thread

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Originally posted by Spirit5 But they had to come from somewhere? They just don't "appear" out of nowhere...

Yes, the whole idea of science and religion both is to eventually understand where "nowhere" itself in fact comes from.

"nothing" as a concept - that's interesting to me

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Originally posted by RJT I don't understand blind faith at all, it's absurd and cannot be reconciled by rationality, but, to a degree, and in some "lunatic" sense, I admire it, yet fully admit that I don't think I can ever understand why.

We agree then. On the first part anyway, because I don't particularly admire it (other than when it results in good music).

Faith and lunacy are conceptually the same thing, though in society they're perceived as different.

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Originally posted by distant We agree then. On the first part anyway, because I don't particularly admire it (other than when it results in good music). Faith and lunacy are conceptually the same thing, though in society they're perceived as different.

"If you talk to God, you are praying; if God talks to you, you have schizophrenia." - Thomas Szasz

I AM YOUR FUCKING GOD, BITCHES!

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Originally posted by nefardec Yes, the whole idea of science and religion both is to eventually understand where "nowhere" itself in fact comes from. "nothing" as a concept - that's interesting to me

Nothing is interesting to me as well, but nothing would imply "void" which would mean no beginning, nor no end. And it's pretty well established scientifically that the Universe had a beginning...the "Big Bang" is a pretty established theory. And scientists do think that the Universe as we know it..might end in say 5 billion years.

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Originally posted by Beatflux IF you can clearly define what God is, and if there was decent evidence I might decide to believe in it. I'm not above good evidence. Everybody seems to have their own definition or description of what or who God is. If the theists can't even agree on who or what God is, than how could you successful evaluate any sort of evidence to his or its existence? If you want pick a definition and argue it, then I will read it. I can understand why after years of listening to rebuttals from theist, atheist get tired of the same old logical fallacies, and the theists who have no idea what a logical fallacy is. What I don't like about religion or any of the new age junkie science is that it does not promote rational thinking. I want people to be able to have intelligent conversations that aren't immediately shut down by an irrational belief. I am grateful that there were extraordinary people that did NOT listen to what the church had to say about the universe, and instead ventured on their own journey for the truth which has lead us to an age where we can enjoy the fruits of technology. A particle that acts like a wave, blasphemy!

See the problem is you are looking for specifics. We're not discussing specifics here. We don't need a specific example of a God, or a specific example of divine intervention. The point is that extreme atheism closes off all possibilities of any sort of higher power at all. Not Jesus, not Buddha, not Allah etc. No specifics, only the idea of a higher power. Like I said, extremist atheists are no different to religious zealots in essence.

You also seem to convey the idea that scientists and theists do not mix and that most of the discoveries in the world came about due to atheist scientists breaking away from religion. This is simply not true and you can see that many scientists are in fact religious as well. How much, it doesn't really matter but they open to the notion of a higher power.

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Originally posted by Clovis It's also interesting to note that believing in something does not = being religious. My mom is not religious but she does believe in some type of higher power or God.

Yes that's actually a very good thing to point out. It allows her to use science in the way it's meant to be used, yet remain open to anything which science cannot explain, and she doesn't just brush it away because science doesn't explain it.

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Originally posted by weymouth To me, Rich and pkcRAISTLIN are no different than those chumps that picketed that soldier's funeral with hate about how God is punishing the U.S. country for its evils.

well, you'd be wrong.

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I just don't understand why you two are so adamant about proving yourself correct over an internet forum.

don't blame us for your lack of understanding.

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This is to all the "intelligent atheists" that use the internet to argue against religion: Get a life and stop being so self-conscious about what you believe in that you have to pick fights with people and then copy/paste exerts from books/internet sites just to have some deluded image of yourself as being an intellectual.

perhaps we just enjoy talking to like (and not so like) minded individuals about world issues?

as for "copy-pasting" that's called referencing for the uninitiated. go sit in the corner and play with some coloured blocks.

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Originally posted by RJT And Rich, I'd gladly get into the "Which side has more obnoxious characters?" debate with you - because it isn't how many, but the shear fact that I find you all obnoxious, that matters.

so glad to hear you're back in this thread to remind us how much better than all of us you are. i guess that makes you the most obnoxious

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Originally posted by weymouth

in case you're wondering mate, the point of this thread has nothing to do with being right or disproving the existence of god etc. its about illustrating the differences between religious zealotry and so-called extreme atheism.

its not my fault if you, and others in this thread, cannot see the fundamental differences between the two.

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