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Originally posted by jon jon RIDICULOUS ANALOGY! haha fuck

I wouldn't have so much of a problem if it was just a matter of people pirating music, but it irritates me an unbelievable lot when they try to justify it.

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Originally posted by jon jon RIDICULOUS ANALOGY! haha fuck

really? care to explain why?

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Originally posted by Shade I wouldn't have so much of a problem if it was just a matter of people pirating music, but it irritates me an unbelievable lot when they try to justify it.

i'm not trying to justify piracy, it's stealing. what i'm saying is that it's here to stay regardless of whether you think it's wrong or not. so yeah, like any other industry, adapt or don't make any money.

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Originally posted by phlog really? care to explain why?

Well the issue at hand is the stealing of the music. Not "what are people willing to compromise for larger aspirations"

Steve Angello is right, he is the artist and he is owed money for the art/product he has made. That is hardly the same as some minor leaguer working for peanuts trying to make it in the big leagues.

Steve Angello is playing pro ball, he's Barry Bonds and only getting 1/10th of his salary.

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Originally posted by phlog i'm not trying to justify piracy, it's stealing. what i'm saying is that it's here to stay regardless of whether you think it's wrong or not. so yeah, like any other industry, adapt or don't make any money.

Out of sheer curiosity, what do you mean by adapt?

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Originally posted by jon jon he is the artist and he is owed money for the art/product he has made.

says who? consumer demand determines how much every other produt/service on the market is worth, why is music any different? if people arn't willing to pay for your recorded music, as an artist, you better find some other way of making money off it, or change professions.

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Originally posted by jon jon Steve Angello is playing pro ball, he's Barry Bonds and only getting 1/10th of his salary.

lol k so he's still making well over a million a year and shouldn't be complaining.

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Originally posted by Shade Out of sheer curiosity, what do you mean by adapt?

Adapt:
- adjust: adapt or conform oneself to new or different conditions; "We must adjust to the bad economic situation"

i don't have an answer for this. then again i'm not the one getting shafted by internet piracy.

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Originally posted by phlog Adapt: - adjust: adapt or conform oneself to new or different conditions; "We must adjust to the bad economic situation" i don't have an answer for this. then again i'm not the one getting shafted by internet piracy.

I know what the definition of adaptation is.

I've come to terms with people pirating (as I've already said), there's not much that can be done about it. I simply said I have an issue with ridiculous justifications.

This isn't something that is exactly 'adaptable' though, only something that artists can bear with. An empty suggestion like what you made is like me saying "Well... the economy's in recession? Fix it! How? I don't know!"

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Originally posted by phlog if people arn't willing to pay for your recorded music, as an artist, you better find some other way of making money off it, or change professions.

lol well that's what he is threatening to do...

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Originally posted by phlog k so he's still making well over a million a year and shouldn't be complaining.

yeah I know, the analogy is stupid, isn't it?

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Originally posted by Shade I wouldn't have so much of a problem if it was just a matter of people pirating music, but it irritates me an unbelievable lot when they try to justify it.

This drives me nuts too!

If you're going to fucking illegally download music, then at the very least pony up to the fact that you ARE INDEED STEALING and accept that you are doing something completely unfair to the producer (who deserve to be paid for their work) and engaging in illegal activity. Acknowledge the simple fact that you just really couldnt care less about that, and you're choosing to do as you damn well please, wrong though you are!

Don't try to convince yourself that you're not doing anything wrong bc of such-and-such reason, or try to justify to yourself (or others, like on this board, for example) how it "ok" for you to act as such.

You are simply choosing to not want to pay for something you should rightfully be paying for, plain and simple.

Acknowledge that much at least. Jesus.

Its a product for sale on the market. If you want it, you should pay for it. If you dont like the price, then you dont buy it and therefore wont own it... thats the trade off. If you dont want to buy it at that price, then you shouldnt own it. Realize that. You're alternative is the listen to sets in which the song is contained. That's your fair alternative for hearing it if you dont want to pay for the track.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar You are simply choosing to not want to pay for something you should rightfully be paying for, plain and simple.

here here. That should end this horrible horrible thread.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar If you're going to fucking illegally download music, then at the very least pony up to the fact that you ARE INDEED STEALING and accept that you are doing something completely unfair to the producer (who deserve to be paid for their work) and engaging in illegal activity. Acknowledge the simple fact that you just really couldnt care less about that, and you're choosing to do as you damn well please, wrong though you are! Don't try to convince yourself that you're not doing anything wrong bc of such-and-such reason, or try to justify to yourself (or others, like on this board, for example) how it "ok" for you to act as such. You are simply choosing to not want to pay for something you should rightfully be paying for, plain and simple. Acknowledge that much at least. Jesus. Its a product for sale on the market. If you want it, you should pay for it. If you dont like the price, then you dont buy it and therefore wont own it... thats the trade off. If you dont want to buy it at that price, then you shouldnt own it. Realize that. You're alternative is the listen to sets in which the song is contained. That's your fair alternative for hearing it if you dont want to pay for the track.

I was going to add something...but that pretty much sums it right up.
Wheres my 'thumbs up' emoticon?

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Originally posted by phlog lol k so he's still making well over a million a year and shouldn't be complaining.

i don't care how much money I make per year. I'd be pissed if I'm getting robbed too.

Stealing is stealing. There is no moral justification for it. (No, I'm no angel either)

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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