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| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Bullshit. Daft Punk might've sold out arenas here, but that doesn't mean that "electronic music is now the mainstream throughout the world." One artist having great commercial success doesn't mean that a tremendously large genre of music with very diverse subgenres has suddenly skyrocketed in popularity.
Here's a challenge. Outside of Daft Punk, cite five more examples of commercial success in EDM that would help support your point. Don't bring up Underworlds latest US tour, either; they had to switch to smaller venues and knew in advance that they would be losing money.
And most of my favorite artists already do. Wanna know why? I'll respond to a previous post of yours...
Like I said earlier, no. I feel like elaborating this time around.
What is the goal of pop music? Money, plain and simple. If there has been one factor in the bastardization of most music it's money.
I think Chris Rock put it best...
“Music kind of sucks. Nobody’s into being a musician. Everybody’s getting their mogul on. You’ve been so infiltrated by this corporate mentality that all the time you’d spend getting great songs together, you’re busy doing nine other things that have nothing to do with art. You know how shitty Stevie Wonder’s songs would have been if he had to run a fuckin’ clothing company and a cologne line? … Rap sucks, for the most part. Not all rap, but as an art form it’s just not at its best moment. Sammy the Bull would have made a shitty album. And I don’t really have a desire to hear Warren Buffett’s album - or the new CD by Paul Allen. That’s what everybody’s aspiring to be.”
Want an example? Look at the latest television commercial for DirectTV. It's Beyonce dancing and singing a song about DirectTV. She's singing and telling you to buy it. She's being used so a corporation and herself can earn more money.
Rap and Hip-Hop have sounded the same for the last fifteen years. Same concept, same general lyrics, same bullshit. No rock band is trying anything interesting; there's a bass player, two guitar players, a vocalist and a drummer.
All of these pop bands don't have time to actually focus on the music anymore. Once they sign big-label contracts they lose total creative control. Every major label will have the artist(s) change parts of their song so that it will sell better.
So where, then, does the creativity lie?
In the artist that works at a fucking McDonalds 30 hours a week, goes home, sits in his studio in front of gear that he busted ass for years to earn (instead of having some big label go, "Okay, here, you can have all of this awesomeness for a few hours on this day."), and makes some fucking quality music because he wants to, not because some label is demanding that he meet deadlines. This guy will get off of their shift at 9PM on a Friday, bust their ass over to the club by 9:30, spin from 10:00-12:00, stay at the club until it closes at 2:00AM, help tear down gear until 4:00AM, and be back at work at 8:00AM.
That is where quality music comes from; someone with a passion for it, a desire for it. Not some fucking asshole who signed a major label contract because they want to be famous and are willing to sacrifice creative control over what essentially made them who they were in the first place.
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hey man i appreciate u taking the time to write a lengthy response.
i think id agree with you if the united states of america was the entire world but it's not, however that's not to say it's not as large in the USA, but i thought id make the point.
in the USA the major/large venues and tour operations are controlled by clearchannel and artists that don't generate revenue for the big music industry machine don't get the same footing as the ones who directly and indirectly line the pockets of the stereotype fat guy with a cigar and armani suit.
that doesn't even begin to address the issue of conservatives who drive clearchannel and their moral objections to what in their eyes is opening the floodgates of chemical substance abuse.
so you dont get electronic acts playing the 30,000 person arena show's but you do get 10-20 clubs in a big town with 500-2000 capacity and the odd entertainment center shows and in a decent town in most places of the world, clubbers pack these places fridays and saturdays and sometimes sundays too, that all adds up to a lot more people than you think.
now the usa is always a little slow in catching on .. but it always does and outside of the USA electronic music is the big thing and as soon as the fat man with cigar learns how to make as much money from the artists not generating income for their buddies at EMI/SonyBMG/Universal/Warner is when it will be shown as the mainstream in USA.. but outside of the USA it's here and it's fucking big.
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