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d-miurge
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quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Good lord I hate Marxist analysis of art. It's so annoyingly simple-minded.

Play some "music" composed of ping pong balls being thrown down a stairwell followed by the second movement of Beethoven's Fifth, then ask a thousand people from fifty different countries which one has clearer emotional content.

I don't think there's any reasonable doubt as to what you'd find.


Don't infer unless you are sure about what you say. I can't stand marxist analysis of art either!

My point was more "Kandinskist" (I'm currently reading "Concerning the Spiritual In Art" for the third time), because it fits with my praxis of art (http://www.beatport.com/artist/the+last+atlant ).

The only common point with marxism is that it takes society as a whole, symbolized as a Triangle for Kandinsky. I prefer to quote wikipedia because it's in a better English than mine:
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Originally published in 1911, Kandinsky compares the spiritual life of humanity to a large triangle similar to a pyramid; the artist has the task and the mission of leading others to the top by the exercise of his talent. The point of the Triangle is constituted only by some individuals who bring the sublime bread to men. It is a spiritual triangle which moves forward and rises slowly, even if it sometimes remains immobile. During decadent periods, souls fall to the bottom of the Triangle and men only search for the external success and ignore purely spiritual forces.



Here we are: we are socially conditioned to listen to certain kinds of music, to certain kinds of movies, etc. because the artists use a certain kind of technology, which is constantly evolving. What you call taste is your inner ability of empathy, which is built by your family, your own intelligence, and the quality of the artwork.

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PETRAN
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quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Been doing a bit of thinking about this lately:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...5&forumid=16&s=

It seems like most people experience fewer extremes of emotion as they get older, and it's harder for music or other things to provoke them into intense feelings.

So, is part of this "lack of emotion" that people talk about the subjective side of a generation of EDM listeners "growing up" and becoming more "immune" to emotional extremes?




Yeah, thats what i'am thinking, thats what i always said and i think that it is partially true. People become "habituated" to the music as they grow older, they eventually grow out of it."Habituated" is essentially like having to take "larger doses" of something in order to get the same effect. The saw-synths were like auditory opiates to our ears. But we took large "doses", we wanted more and it seems that we "didn't get what we wanted in the long-term".Trance for example didn't evolve with us to match our "habituating minds". These saw sounds stayed the same, and whilst many more new younger "trance-addicts" were attracted to the auditory drug,these saw synths eventually ended-up having no effects on us. Dissapointed, we started bashing them with hate, bullying younger addicts, telling them how "lame" they are, without understanding that they feel in the same way we used to feel. We look at our past through the lenses of today, lenses made of the present and "distorting" our memories. These distortions look funny, and we conclude that we were young, immature fools with bad taste. We like "cooler" stuff now and we have possibly acquired new tastes.


So, i'm really not sure anymore for example (and this is a subject which is discussed a lot in here) if todays trance sucks, or today's trance sucks to older trance listeners. I guess, that it is true that todays trance hasn't evolved much (due to "financial" reasons) but what contributes most to not liking, is peoples minds rather than music per se.



Now this happens ofcourse with any musical genre. "Trance" was an example and by using "We" in the first paragraph i didn't mean "me" and "You" in the literal sense (although we could be!). This "process" also happens all the time, so beware, it is quite probable that your future self will view your current self as a great fool for liking what you like now! (and the ways you behave in general)


Now, i don't say that one doesn't like a genre because he/she has become (or feels that he/she has become) "less emotional" in general. I say that when you listen to something a lot and this something doesn't change you get "less emotional with that specific something". To connect with you other "decreased emotionality" thread of yours, whilst i personally have become less emotional in general, i can still feel very emotonal with some specific types of music/genres/tunes etc. It is true that my decreased emotionality relates to the fact that i'm not emotional THAT often (and to the same extend that i used to) as i was in the past, but i believe that one can always be emotional with any forms of art regardless his/her personality changes.

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MrJiveBoJingles
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quote:
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The saw-synths were like auditory opiates to our ears.



The supersaw is the opiate of the masses.

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PETRAN
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The supersaw is the opiate of the masses.




Yeah man! Its bad...

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Clovis
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Super-saws help me go poop in the morning.


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AustralianGQ
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i think todays trance has a pretty decent emotional force when u listen to it....atleast for me, it puts me in that "high, euphoric" mood.


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PETRAN
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Super-saws help me go poop in the morning.



Its like coffee, its stimulating for a while...

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MrJiveBoJingles
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Actually, if supersaws are opiates, then they should have a constipating effect rather than a laxative one.

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PETRAN
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Actually, if supersaws are opiates, then they should have a constipating effect rather than a laxative one.




Yeah but then i decided that supersaw is like coffee.



"Saw synths" are like opiates, see my original post!


lol

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