Whitelabel 12"s stamped with the blood of thirteen fallen MC's are gully as fuck though.

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Originally posted by distant Whitelabel 12"s stamped with the blood of thirteen fallen MC's are gully as fuck though.

^Underground.

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Originally posted by RJT Contemporary vinyl releases are every bit as easy to get your hands on if you know what you're looking for. Being released on vinyl in no way, shape, or form makes a record "underground" - and frankly, I think the word itself and the mentality that accompanies it is a fucking joke to begin with (and here I'm talking both about the "vinyl is underground" mentality as well as the "underground" mentality in general).

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like I wrote, I've been trying to get ahold of the new Styrax Leaves release (Koi - Deaf Torrero) for a few months now, and I haven't been able to get it at my local vinyl shop (downstairs from my office lol) nor on webshops without paying 21 euros for shipping alone. Because of the extreme price and limited supply of labels like Styrax Records and Styrax Leaves, not many people will play them except those located near local stores or those willing to pay up.


I don't see the problem you have with 'underground'. It simply means know one knows about it, or it's not easy to find. There doesn't really need to be a mentality attached to it, though usually there is.

I think because the distribution is less for vinyl, it gets less exposure - so i think you would tend to find more 'underground' (read, less known) tracks on vinyl.

That's not at all a comment on the quality of the music.



I mean technically you could have an MP3 underground as well, if those involved agreed to distribute it amongst a small group of people. Things like netlabels are sort of underground.

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Originally posted by distant Whitelabel 12"s stamped with the blood of thirteen fallen MC's are gully as fuck though.

lol

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Originally posted by distant gully

Perfect usage.

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Originally posted by nefardec most like I wrote, I've been trying to get ahold of the new Styrax Leaves release (Koi - Deaf Torrero) for a few months now, and I haven't been able to get it at my local vinyl shop (downstairs from my office lol) nor on webshops without paying 21 euros for shipping alone. Because of the extreme price and limited supply of labels like Styrax Records and Styrax Leaves, not many people will play them except those located near local stores or those willing to pay up. I don't see the problem you have with 'underground'. It simply means know one knows about it, or it's not easy to find. There doesn't really need to be a mentality attached to it, though usually there is. I think because the distribution is less for vinyl, it gets less exposure - so i think you would tend to find more 'underground' (read, less known) tracks on vinyl. That's not at all a comment on the quality of the music. I mean technically you could have an MP3 underground as well, if those involved agreed to distribute it amongst a small group of people. Things like netlabels are sort of underground.

The only people I know who regularly use the term "underground" to refer to the music they listen to and the parties they go to are the kinds of people who are far more concerned with keeping up appearances than anything else.

That is my problem with the "underground" - I don't think it exists beyond self-delusion and/or figments of individuals imaginations who have a dire need to appear more intelligent, hip, or otherwise cool than they actually are.

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Originally posted by RJT The only people I know who regularly use the term "underground" to refer to the music they listen to and the parties they go to are the kinds of people who are far more concerned with keeping up appearances than anything else. That is my problem with the "underground" - I don't think it exists beyond self-delusion and/or figments of individuals imaginations who have a dire need to appear more intelligent, hip, or otherwise cool than they actually are.

I think you're probably right

but those people will be delusional no matter what word they use

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Originally posted by nefardec I think you're probably right but those people will be delusional no matter what word they use

Indeed.

It just seems ridiculous to me to call anything underground, when it seems most people are either going to fall into the camp described above or are really just trying to say "Not that many people know about this."

You can't make an underground record, no matter how hard you try. And when you do make a record that your audience declares "underground", there's no telling how long that moniker is going to last - because two weeks later it could be cheese.

I don't know - just seems like such a ludicrous word people bandy about all the time without even really thinking.

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Originally posted by RJT Indeed. It just seems ridiculous to me to call anything underground, when it seems most people are either going to fall into the camp described above or are really just trying to say "Not that many people know about this." You can't make an underground record, no matter how hard you try. And when you do make a record that your audience declares "underground", there's no telling how long that moniker is going to last - because two weeks later it could be cheese. I don't know - just seems like such a ludicrous word people bandy about all the time without even really thinking.

you seem pretty serious about this underground thing. How's that working out for you?

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Originally posted by RJT Indeed. It just seems ridiculous to me to call anything underground, when it seems most people are either going to fall into the camp described above or are really just trying to say "Not that many people know about this." You can't make an underground record, no matter how hard you try. And when you do make a record that your audience declares "underground", there's no telling how long that moniker is going to last - because two weeks later it could be cheese. I don't know - just seems like such a ludicrous word people bandy about all the time without even really thinking.

So you believe that being "underground" is more of a lifestyle then how rare something is or that it isn't available to people on a larger scale.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT So you believe that being "underground" is more of a lifestyle then how rare something is or that it isn't available to people on a larger scale.

Absolutely.

I didn't need a new word for "rare" or "new." Those did just fine with fewer syllables.

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Can't say I disagree.