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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i dont need to eat a shit sandwhich in order to know it tastes like shit.

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Originally posted by Alex How could wanderers leave evidence? Go to your local corner, do you see evidence someone walked by it yesterday? But if your suggesting no evidence means it didnt happen, then you should know that archeoligist have used the Bible many times to find ancient buried cities.

Oh for christs sake! They were supposedly there for 40 fucking years! Your analogy of someone walking by a corner is the most pathetic analogy I've heard in a long time.

Take a read at this:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04...oses.php?page=1

I'd be interested to hear of archaeologists using the bible to find ancient buried cities...any links you have?

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Originally posted by Alex How could wanderers leave evidence? Go to your local corner, do you see evidence someone walked by it yesterday? But if your suggesting no evidence means it didnt happen, then you should know that archeoligist have used the Bible many times to find ancient buried cities.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...05110240AA3VaQ6

4th answer down...

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That's where I got it from ya.

Also you posted ONE article, are you trying to suggest that ONE archeologist debunks an entire book that is one of the ONLY historical records we have of the time period? Come on, it's not like the guy combed the entire desert and it's entirely possible that once again, the bible blew the 40 years thing completely out of proportion and it was actually a lot less than that. Given I've seen documentaries showing middle aged men, in our time, making the same supposed length of journey and doing it in a matter of days/weeks on foot.

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Originally posted by Alex That's where I got it from ya.

No shit...why did you pick the stupidest answer on that page?

I guess those links to archaelogical excavations of ancient cities due to biblical scripture are out of the question then?

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard You've just lost any credibility when it comes to questioning the validity or value of the Abrihamic religions. You cannot be expected to be taken seriously in a discussion on any subject when you won't even take the time to understand what it is you're discussing.

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should i have to read Intelligent Design: The Scientific Alternative to Evolution to know intelligent design is nonsense?

should i have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to the scientology church and become a 4th level thetan just so i can comment that scientology is bullshit?

must i build a spaceship and travel to the moons of jupiter to prove that there isn't a teapot orbiting one of them?

if one wants to understand the roots of the 3 desert religions then the bible is certainly a great place to start. but don't pretend that i need to have read the thing cover to cover to have an opinion on superstition generally.

if there is no god, then what kind of understanding does the bible give us of god? NONE, that's what. indeed, if there is no god your study of the bible has actually given you completely fallacious knowledge of the world, so how do you reconcile that?

in any case, we both know my objections to religion are more social/political in nature so a study of contemporary society and politics is more than enough to signal the death cries of religion in my life.

edit: why the fuck would i force myself to read something that i found completely underwhelming (not to mention difficult to read) just so someone might take me more seriously when i say "leviticus is bullshit" when it should already be obvious to them?

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Originally posted by Alex Also you posted ONE article, are you trying to suggest that ONE archeologist debunks an entire book that is one of the ONLY historical records we have of the time period? Come on, it's not like the guy combed the entire desert and it's entirely possible that once again, the bible blew the 40 years thing completely out of proportion and it was actually a lot less than that. Given I've seen documentaries showing middle aged men, in our time, making the same supposed length of journey and doing it in a matter of days/weeks on foot.

I'm pretty sure that it isn't just one archaelogist....and the lack of evidence doesn't debunk anything...it just means that it can't be proven.
As for saying that the bible could have blown the '40 years thing' out of proportion, that strikes me as mental gymnastics on your part to explain the lack of evidence. Perhaps the bible blew the whole 'jesus rising from the dead thing' out of proportion too?

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"The discovery of the Ebla archive in northern Syria in the 1970s has shown the Biblical writings concerning the Patriarchs to be viable. Documents written on clay tablets from around 2300 B.C. demonstrate that personal and place names in the Patriarchal accounts are genuine. The name “Canaan” was in use in Ebla, a name critics once said was not used at that time and was used incorrectly in the early chapters of the Bible. The word tehom (“the deep”) in Genesis 1:2 was said to be a late word demonstrating the late writing of the creation story. “Tehom” was part of the vocabulary at Ebla, in use some 800 years before Moses. Ancient customs reflected in the stories of the Patriarchs have also been found in clay tablets from Nuzi and Mari."

"# The Hittites were once thought to be a Biblical legend, until their capital and records were discovered at Bogazkoy, Turkey."

"Many thought the Biblical references to Solomon's wealth were greatly exaggerated. Recovered records from the past show that wealth in antiquity was concentrated with the king and Solomon's prosperity was entirely feasible."

"It was once claimed there was no Assyrian king named Sargon as recorded in Isaiah 20:1, because this name was not known in any other record. Then, Sargon's palace was discovered in Khorsabad, Iraq. The very event mentioned in Isaiah 20, his capture of Ashdod, was recorded on the palace walls. What is more, fragments of a stela memorializing the victory were found at Ashdod itself."

"Another king who was in doubt was Belshazzar, king of Babylon, named in Daniel 5. The last king of Babylon was Nabonidus according to recorded history. Tablets were found showing that Belshazzar was Nabonidus' son who served as coregent in Babylon. Thus, Belshazzar could offer to make Daniel “third highest ruler in the kingdom” (Dan. 5:16) for reading the handwriting on the wall, the highest available position. Here we see the “eye-witness” nature of the Biblical record, as is so often brought out by the discoveries of archaeology."

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a026.html

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN must i build a spaceship and travel to the moons of jupiter to prove that there isn't a teapot orbiting one of them?

+1 to all your statements. I wanted to highlight this one for sake of this clip though:

and... RIP George Carlin

there are way too many religion threads in the COR

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