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Afraid of the numbers are we?


im still waiting for you to explain how you weren't really wrong about kennedy. talk about fraudulent!


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Afraid of the numbers are we?


Afraid to admit you're wrong?


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Additionally, Fed money DOES have value, which is the sum of all American goods, services, and assets.


No krypton.. This is not what gives money value. It is used to buy American goods/services/assets...but those things do not give it value. Fed money is simply a unit of account. It is used to PRICE things that people value. Paper currency itself only has value because people have faith in it. Faith and demand for the paper is what gives it value. When people lose faith in our government and demand goes down (or the supply goes up via the printing press), the value of each unit drops. Dollars are backed by nothing but faith..and the continued collapse in their value (purchasing power) is evidence that the government is printing too much and/or people are losing faith in their government.

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No krypton.. This is not what gives money value. It is used to buy American goods/services/assets...but those things do not give it value. Fed money is simply a unit of account. It is used to PRICE things that people value. Paper currency itself only has value because people have faith in it. Faith and demand for the paper is what gives it value. When people lose faith in our government and demand goes down (or the supply goes up via the printing press), the value of each unit drops. Dollars are backed by nothing but faith..and the continued collapse in their value (purchasing power) is evidence that the government is printing too much and/or people are losing faith in their government.


The value of the dollar is pegged to the ratio of dollar supply to value of goods, services, and assets. If we look at today's current situation, the dollar has been tumbling. Why? Housing prices have fallen dramatically, there is a debt crisis, and a credit crisis. When the economy is performing poorly, the currency also performs poorly. This implies a direct relationship between economic performance and currency value. To say the dollar is completely devoid of any pegging or relationship to the economy; this is not a correct assumption.

Now you may hear some say, oh, but the dollar is now rising, it's reached a bottom. This isn't the case, because other currencies worldwide are also falling in value because their economies are also going through difficult times. So in essence, it's not that the dollar has stopped falling in value, it's that other currencies are falling in value in parity to the dollar.


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oh oh, here we go.....


and yes we need a poll.

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oh oh, here we go.....


and yes we need a poll.


still waiting on your admission you were completely and utterly wrong about kennedy.

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

3. Inability to answer questions.
For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

7. Inability to withdraw.
It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.


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This thread should be merged with Trancer-x's Federal Reserve thread and made into a poll. Should clear up some of the mess and keep things in some sort of order.

Clearly the amount of attention this topic is gathering deserves it.

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still waiting on your admission you were completely and utterly wrong about kennedy.

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

3. Inability to answer questions.
For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

7. Inability to withdraw.
It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.


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still waiting on your admission you were completely and utterly wrong about kennedy.


Why because you pasted something from the JREF forum again? LOL. Every time I look up Kennedy in relation to the Federal Reserve the numbers are heavily in favor in that he was going to dismantle it completely.

Google is your friend bitch.

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Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy

Two great presidents of the United States
Assassinated for the cause of justice



NOTE: Federal and State governments (and many local governments), the United Nations and the governments of many other nations are controlled by financial bankers who in turn are controlled by Freemasons and related organizations such as B'nai B'rith. It is perhaps notable that both Ben Shalom Bernanke (the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve) and (the prior Chairman) Alan Greenspan - birth name, "Grynszpan" (August 11, 1987 to January 31, 2006) are prominent Jews known as money brokers.

by Melvin Sickler

Both Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy were assassinated while they held the high office of President of the United States. Both of these former presidents had also created their own money system to run the United States while they were In office. Is this just a coincidence?

Why assassinate a President? Why must everything be kept so covered up? What is it that is being hidden from the American people ?

The facts will speak for themselves.


Abraham Lincoln

1. During the Civil War (from 1861-1865), President Lincoln needed money to finance the War from the North. The Bankers were going to charge him 24% to 36% interest. Lincoln was horrified and went away greatly distressed, for he was a man of principle and would not think of plunging his beloved country into a debt that the country would find impossible to pay back.
2. Eventually President Lincoln was advised to get Congress to pass a law authorizing the printing of full legal tender Treasury notes to pay for the War effort. Lincoln recognized the great benefits of this issue. At one point he wrote:
3. "... (we) gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they have ever had - their own paper money to pay their own debts..."
4. The Treasury notes were printed with green ink on the back, so the people called them "Greenbacks".
5. Lincoln printed 400 million dollars worth of Greenbacks (the exact amount being $449,338,902), money that he delegated to be created, a debt-free and interest-free money to finance the War. It served as legal tender for all debts, public and private. He printed it, paid it to the soldiers, to the U.S. Civil Service employees, and bought supplies for war.
6. Shortly after that happened, "The London Times" printed the following
7. "If that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed, or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."
8. The Bankers obviously understood. The only thing, I repeat, the only thing that is a threat to their power is sovereign governments printing Interest-free and debt-free paper money. They know it would break the power of the international Bankers.

In retaliation

1. After this was published In "The London Times", the British Government, which was controlled by the London and other European Bankers, moved to support the Confederate South, hoping to defeat Lincoln and the Union, and destroy this government which they said had to be destroyed.
2. They were stopped by two things.
* First, Lincoln knew the British people, and he knew that Britain would not support slavery, so he issued the Emancipation Proclamation, which declared that slavery in the United States was abolished. At this point, the London Bankers could not openly support the Confederacy because the British people simply would not stand for their country supporting slavery.
* Second, the Czar of Russia sent a portion of the Russian navy to the United States with orders that its admiral would operate under the command of Abraham Lincoln. These ships of the Russian navy then became a threat to the ships of the British navy which had intended to break the blockade and help the South.
3. The North won the War, and the Union was preserved. America remained as one nation.
4. Of course, the Bankers were not going to give in that easy, for they were determined to put an end to Lincoln's interest-free, debt-free Greenbacks. He was assassinated by an agent of the Bankers shortly after the War ended.
5. Thereafter, Congress revoked the Greenback Law and enacted, in its place, the National Banking Act. The national banks were to be privately owned and the national bank notes they issued were to be interest-bearing. The Act also provided that the Greenbacks should be retired from circulation as soon as they came back to the Treasury in payment of taxes.
6. In 1972, the United States Treasury Department was asked to compute the amount of interest that would have been paid if that 400 million dollars would have been borrowed at interest instead of being issued by Abraham Lincoln. They did some computations, and a few weeks later, the United States Treasury Department said the United States Government saved 4 billion dollars in interest because Lincoln had created his own money. So you can about imagine how much the Government has paid and how much we owe solely on the basis of interest.

The Federal Reserve Act

1. There were changes in the money and banking laws for the next fifty years. Finally, in 1913, the Bankers were able to get their Federal Reserve-Act passed through Congress which replaced the National Banking Act that had earlier replaced the Greenback Law. If the Government would have continued the policy of Abraham Lincoln, the warnings given in "The London Times" would have come to pass. America would be a debt-free nation, the most prosperous in the world. And the brains and the wealth of the world would have come to America.
2. But with this Federal Reserve Act being passed, Congress gave up its power to create its own money that it was given in the United States Constitution, and gave this power over to private Bankers who called themselves the Federal Reserve. The Bankers had achieved their ultimate goal, for now the United States operated under a central bank that was privately owned. They now had the power to run the country by controlling the creation of the money, and were free to charge the interest they so desired.
3. As Mayer Anselm Rothschild once said: "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws..."


John F. Kennedy – (John Fitzgerald Kennedy; 35th President of the United States; Born May 29, 1917; Inaugurated January 20, 1961, Died November 22, 1963)

1. No United States president since Abraham Lincoln dared to go against the system and create his own money, as many of these so-called elected presidents were actually only instruments or puppets of the Bankers. That is until President John F. Kennedy came into office.
2. President Kennedy was not afraid to "buck the system", for he understood how the Federal Reserve System was being used to destroy the United States. As a just and honorable man, he could not tolerate such a system, for It smelled corruption from A to Z. Certainly he must have known about the Greenbacks which Abraham Lincoln created when he was In office.
3. On June 4th, 1963, President Kennedy signed a presidential document, called Executive Order 11110, which further amended Executive Order 10289 of September 19th, 1951. This gave Kennedy, as President of the United States, legal clearance to create his own money to run the country, money that would belong to the people, an interest and debt-free money. He had printed United States Notes, completely ignoring the Federal Reserve Notes from the private banks of the Federal Reserve.
4. Our records show that Kennedy issued $4,292,893,825 of cash money. It was perfectly obvious that Kennedy was out to under mine the Federal Reserve System of the United States.
5. But it was only a few months later, In November of 1963, that the world received the shocking news of President Kennedy's assassination. No reason was given, of course, for anyone wanting to commit such an atrocious crime. But for those who knew anything about money and banking, it did not take long to put the pieces of the puzzle together. For surely, President Kennedy must have had it in mind to repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and return back to the United States Congress the power to create Its own money.
6. It is interesting to note that, only one day after Kennedy's assassination, all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued were called out of circulation. Was this through an executive order of the newly installed president, Lyndon B. Johnson? Was President Johnson afraid of the Bankers? Or was he one of their instruments? At any rate, all of the money President Kennedy had created was destroyed. And not a word was said to the American people.

A lesson to learn

1. There is much that can be learned from our past history. Here we are in 1987, and the United States is still operating under the Federal Reserve System. It has already plunged our country over two trillion dollars into debt, a debt it will never be able to pay, and has been responsible for every kind of corruption imaginable. Yet, barely a peep of protest can be heard from the American people.
2. All the Bankers have to do to keep their power is to get rid of the few politicians who are honestly working for a reform in our economic system, and the people at large remain ignorant and controlled. It is obvious the American people need to be awakened to the truth.
3. The population at large must be educated on the Federal Reserve, and then unite together to put pressure on the Government to get the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 repealed. Otherwise, It will spell disaster for the United States.
4. There can be no peace without justice, and there can be no justice without a reform in our economic system, for the financiers are behind all the corruption in our Government.
5. Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy both had the courage to stand up for principles and to fight for justice. They have both gone down In history as being true patriots of the United States. But do we, as citizens, have the courage to follow their example ?

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Why because you pasted something from the JREF forum again? LOL. Every time I look up Kennedy in relation to the Federal Reserve the numbers are heavily in favor in that he was going to dismantle it completely.

Google is your friend bitch.


that's what i figured. you dont understand the issues (let alone the economics) and youre a liar to boot. anyone with ANY sense of common decency/honesty would just admit that they were wrong. not you CTers though, that would be just too much!

you fucking fraud

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

3. Inability to answer questions.
For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

7. Inability to withdraw.
It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad.
Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.


8. Leaping to conclusions.
Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.


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