the advent of the mp3 has made most music disposable to the click and pick generation, where as genres like rock from the 60's and 70's have always been held in higher esteem due to different social values and the music being something that played a huge role in the generations identity. Hint: no one will remember what you like in 30 years either for reasons almost identical to everything you just posted.

that simple.

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Originally posted by sljiva (in a 30 years time, I bet we'll still remember and respect tracks/albums by Underworld, Leftfield, Autechre..., not so much by Radio Slave, Gui Boratto or John Dahlbäck).

this is what i meant petran.

the fact that these artists are not in vogue at all and sell less today, guarantees that in 30 years they will be even less relevant than they are today for the majority of people.

this comment equates to : i like this more so more people will remember it.

you both know it.

the majority of the population has no clue who any of these people are.(icluding those i actually prefer.)

ps sljiva: at least get what we like right

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Originally posted by PETRAN Yes, im sometimes wondering myself why i steel come back to this forum, and the reason would probably be that there are some people here who i enjoy talking to, because of their musical knowledge and their attitude towards music and things in general.

That crossed my mind too lately.....


On topic:

It looks like Trentemoller isn't making tracks which fit genres I like or used to like. To me most tracks I heard sound old or dated, like they are 15 years old. So I wonder why he is so talented? Please explain.

I do like the beginning of this one, but just until the vocals start:

You and I - Filur (Trentemøller Remix)

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Originally posted by elFreak this is what i meant petran. the fact that these artists are not in vogue at all and sell less today, guarantees that in 30 years they will be even less relevant than they are today for the majority of people. this comment equates to : i like this more so more people will remember it. you both know it. the majority of the population has no clue who any of these people are.(icluding those i actually prefer.) ps sljiva: at least get what we like right

It's not "I like this more so more people will remember it" thing at all, I just listed some usual suspects which people hold very high in regard (they are critically acclaimed and in pretty much every "best EDM groups ever" poll these acts end up on top). Plus, they actually made something new and innovative at some point of their career (unlike pretty much every artist in your playlists). Why they sell less than before? I don't care, I never really bothered about sales (although I'd love to see some stats if you can provide them). Why they aren't in vogue? Don't know (care) either. Not being in vogue doesn't mean they're forgotten. Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Marshall Jefferson, Adonis and Farley "Jackmaster" Funk are also far from spotlight these days, does that mean they'll be forgotten in 30 years time?

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Originally posted by sljiva Have to agree with the overrated statement. People who are amazed by Trent are probably listening to some pretty boring music. Can't blame them however, there's just too much music these days, but also this "everything that's not minimized sucks" attitude cool EDM guys are promoting these days doesn't help either.

Easily the dumbest post I have seen in weeks. Congratulations.

links to these polls. (i look forward to seeing exactly who was polled...and giving you the same answer you would probably give in regards to the dj mag top dj poll, trance addict poll etc.)

also, i love each and every one of those detroit soldiers, and have paid top dollar to see them whenever possible and have an extensive catalogue of their releases on vinyl, but guess what, in 30 years they will be a footnote and forgotten.

99% percent of the world has no clue who these legends are now, do you think in 30 years they will be classics?

come on man.

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Originally posted by elFreak links to these polls. (i look forward to seeing exactly who was polled...and giving you the same answer you would probably give in regards to the dj mag top dj poll, trance addict poll etc.)

After you give me the link about sales stats

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Originally posted by elFreak also, i love each and every one of those detroit soldiers, and have paid top dollar to see them whenever possible and have an extensive catalogue of their releases on vinyl, but guess what, in 30 years they will be a footnote and forgotten. 99% percent of the world has no clue who these legends are now, do you think in 30 years they will be classics? come on man.

Sorry if I didn't mention this earlier, but when I said we I meant EDM community. Of course I don't expect some Alabama kid who's born on this day to know about Juan Atkins in 30 years, but I sincerely believe that every serious EDM lover these days (and in 30 years time) knows who is he and what he's done for electronic music in general. Just like we today know and respect Kraftwerk or Tangerine Dream even if majority of us weren't even born when they released their most important work.

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Originally posted by sljiva After you give me the link about sales stats Sorry if I didn't mention this earlier, but when I said we I meant EDM community. Of course I don't expect some Alabama kid who's born on this day to know about Juan Atkins in 30 years, but I sincerely believe that every serious EDM lover these days (and in 30 years time) knows who is he and what he's done for electronic music in general. Just like we today know and respect Kraftwerk or Tangerine Dream even if majority of us weren't even born when they released their most important work.

am really confused from all these massive post...is this about trentmoller?

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Originally posted by elFreak the fact that these artists are not in vogue at all and sell less today, guarantees that in 30 years they will be even less relevant than they are today for the majority of people. this comment equates to : i like this more so more people will remember it.

I'll bet that Underworld still outsell almost any artist you've played in your set archive, and I can still walk into just about any record store and pick up a copy of Leftism. It's even in the university music library, next to a Classic Chicago House compilation. They don't sell as much as perhaps they did, but they still have a resonant popularity, and often popularity is all you need for immortality.

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Originally posted by elFreak also, i love each and every one of those detroit soldiers, and have paid top dollar to see them whenever possible and have an extensive catalogue of their releases on vinyl, but guess what, in 30 years they will be a footnote and forgotten.

It's already been 25 years since the birth of house and techno and there's no danger of anyone forgetting the key names and people in the next five years. The music PETRAN is talking about, however, has been made in the last three or four years. So the techno and house legends will easily last the 30 year count and I'm willing to bet they'll get to forty and beyond because whilever EDM exists they'll be responsible for it.

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99% percent of the world has no clue who these legends are now, do you think in 30 years they will be classics?

Nobody mentioned anything about 99% of the world. Sljiva said "we" which presumably means fans of electronic music.

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i will concur with that to an extent.

the thing is what people hold dear to them will always be dear to them, what people hold dear to them will not always be dear to what other people hold dear to them.

some people might love that music you think is boring and still like it 30 years down, while forgetting what you like.

every argument applied thus far could be used in retrospect against the people arguing them for exactly the same reason.

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I think the argument is that the current stylistic trend you subscribe to is not going to have the historical resonance that movements like progressive house or IDM had in the 1990s.

I don't know if that means anything- the whole idea behind those Epic House sets was to remember a stylistic trend that has almost been forgotten a decade on. I still think it's great music, but it isn't remembered like early progressive or the IDM scene.

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Can't really speak in Petran's name, but I think he can't accept the fact that so much good music is being overlooked today, just because people are concentrating too much on this whole mnml/tech scene which is pretty miss-ey these days. I felt that way too some time ago, but I really don't care anymore.

For example let's take that Derek Carr's album which I recommended in another thread. If that album was released 10 or 15 years ago, it would be considered classic these days, simply because it is brilliant and could stand among John Beltran's, B12's or Kirk Degiorgio's best work from that time. Shamely, these days this kind of sound is not in the spotlight anymore (even with techno fans), and a lot of people will not hear it (even if some of us try hard to promote it). But they sure will hear new Radio Slave tune which they'll forget in two months...

You could say it's all about taste again, but I don't agree