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Originally posted by Clovis Because that 30,000 dollars isn't going to keep hospitals open, fund public construction projects, or ensure school teachers aren't laid off. You can't simplify it like that.

+1. and that's exactly what WILL let Americans have money, and therefore discretionary spending. Lack of private sector jobs is not the problem. Most that had private sector jobs did not save, and those private sector companies behaved completely stupidly causing their own job losses.

Also, public sector jobs in many cases ARE private sector jobs - hospitals, schools, works - they all subcontract (to the private sector).

This bill is very different from the last Bush Bill - I know, I've read them both. The stunning difference is that this one is targeted at specific areas and sectors, to achieve a set goal. The last one was just a general release of pooled funds to banks and individuals in the hope they would start using it. They didn't because they weren't forced to so just hung on to the money (also because they didn't while it was good last time).

Personal attacks are not the way guys - this is all opinions, but you have to realise that quoting from a hardline conservative blog with the purpose of alerting others to it's story makes you look like a republican far-right conservative. I'm not saying you are but I hope you get why it could have seemed that way Josh.

The "pork" is far less than you think. read the bill. Yes some seem over the top for what they return in terms of immediate jobs, but they said that about bigben, the eiffell tower, the millennium bridge, the gugenhiem, the CN tower, concorde - sometimes projects that seem a waste of money have more value than their immediate costs vs. value.

Investing in teachers and nurses can't be down valued - unless you want dumb kids and shit medical care.

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Originally posted by starboy I'm not attacking you.

I think your words are twisted a bit. You have been posting in the thread for days now, but have failed to contribute.

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Originally posted by starboy And you nothing more than a right wing chearleading anti-govt. copy & paste queen regurgitating garbage from the conservative blogesphere.

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Originally posted by starboy Perhaps you should copy and paste "news" from credible and un-biased sources and not radical right wing blogs like you did on the first page of this thread. But that might be beyond your "intellegence capabilities"

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Originally posted by starboy You are in the minority, but i respect your opinion even though it's wrong.

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Originally posted by starboy You sound more and more like a fixed news meat puppet with every post.

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Originally posted by starboy Your right wing palin-limbaugh ideology was rejected in a big way in november, time to move on.

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Originally posted by starboy I just dropped in to prove you wrong, but it looks as if everyone has already done that, and continues to do so

lol ... I can't even keep up with this thread

Josh it is so un-American of you for not supporting the bill

hehe ... that one is right out of the republican hat

here is another one ..."if you don't like the president move to Israel"

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Originally posted by xenpro lol ... I can't even keep up with this thread Josh it is so un-American of you for not supporting the bill hehe ... that one is right out of the republican hat here is another one ..."if you don't like the president move to Israel"

hahaha, well I would like to move to a far away remote island and start a catamaran business. But since nobody has money to travel, that may not be a good investment right now. And the psychedelic scene has died down in tel aviv, and I am not religious, so there is no place for me there

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen I think your words are twisted a bit. You have been posting in the thread for days now, but have failed to contribute.

And here are the ones you skipped over without your edits, nice try.

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Originally posted by Allayla No, i don't. Here, i'll do what you do. http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/01/n...xes-you-idiots/ This whole economic disaster is directly linked to "reagonomics" His philosophy was to let the market run free and implemented the largest de-regulation in history. 30 years of free market reagonomics is finally over, meet-obamanomics, it's gonna take a while to fix the failure that was "george bush" bush was way more of a socialist than obama will ever be. Obviously i'm not saying that reagonomics was the only culprit, but it was one of many.

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Originally posted by Allayla We can go on and on with the finger pointing but it's useless... if you think that putting people back to work, and getting credit flowing again, and putting money into the pockets of millions of struggling americans (not the rich, trickle down failure that bush tried for eight years) is not a good idea, then why is this bill so popular with the american public? Let me guess, you think that doing nothing is a better idea Tax cuts alone won't work. Also, don't try to compare this recession to others in the past that might have helped with tax cuts. We're losing 10,000 jobs a day right now, you need to stop watching fox noise so religiously, and believing these far right limbaugh-esque web sites preaching the power of NO. All these republicans in the house and senate are throwing all their cards on the table in hopes that our economy gets worse over the next couple years so they can point the finger at dems and obama and take the power back, rather pathetic and selfish if you ask me.

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Originally posted by Allayla YES. As opposed to the 38% who oppose it? yeah 59% is huge, and that's uper 50% not mid. Not to mention the 67% of americans who aprove of the way obama is handling the stimulus, and his 65% public aproval rating. You are in the minority, but i respect your opinion even though it's wrong. http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

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Originally posted by Allayla Create and SAVE 3.5 million jobs, i guess you're comfortable with losing firefighters, cops, and teachers due to the lack of capital and an economy in a tale spin. What's your solution to help the 10,000 jobs lost today? Serious question.

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Originally posted by Allayla It hasn't been rushed. Everything in the bill has been made public for almost a month while it's been going back and forth from the house and senate. About 95% of the contents have stayed the same, and has been available for everyone to pick apart, it's just that less than 1% of the entire package has come into scrutiny by fox news and republicans (like OP) trying to con the public into thinking the entire bill is that 1%. Pathetic.

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Originally posted by Allayla Name one "thing" that was slipped in the bill quietly. The contents of this bill have been public for almost a month, you're acting like something was parachuted in from left field at the last minute.

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Originally posted by Allayla I am saying republicans are doing nothing to help, their contribution is to bet on failure of this bill in hopes of saying "i told you so" the GOP is the party of NO, they have no coherent message, and no concrete ideas besides tax cuts to get us out of this mess. This isn't enough, but it is a step in the right direction and most economists from the left and right agree.

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Originally posted by starboy This bill actaully has a large public support, and is growing by the day 59% aprove, 38% dissaprove, with 67% aproving of the way obama is handling the bill. http://www.gallup.com/poll/114691/O...ty-Support.aspx Also, since dems took over, congress' aproval rating has been increasing sharply by the day http://www.gallup.com/poll/114670/C...ting-Jumps.aspx Nice try.

Dems took over Congress two years ago and have the lowest ratings ever...I don't care about gallup, most people have no idea what's going on or how to fix it. Furthermore, I'm sure many people are pleased that Congress is holding public hearings for the CEOs of the automakers and banks, even though it's only a dog and pony show. That stimulus bill is a huge payoff to his supporters, and that's all it is. Wait for the Obama luster to wear off...in time, the truth will be known.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN +1. and that's exactly what WILL let Americans have money, and therefore discretionary spending. Lack of private sector jobs is not the problem. Most that had private sector jobs did not save, and those private sector companies behaved completely stupidly causing their own job losses. Also, public sector jobs in many cases ARE private sector jobs - hospitals, schools, works - they all subcontract (to the private sector). This bill is very different from the last Bush Bill - I know, I've read them both. The stunning difference is that this one is targeted at specific areas and sectors, to achieve a set goal. The last one was just a general release of pooled funds to banks and individuals in the hope they would start using it. They didn't because they weren't forced to so just hung on to the money (also because they didn't while it was good last time). Personal attacks are not the way guys - this is all opinions, but you have to realise that quoting from a hardline conservative blog with the purpose of alerting others to it's story makes you look like a republican far-right conservative. I'm not saying you are but I hope you get why it could have seemed that way Josh. The "pork" is far less than you think. read the bill. Yes some seem over the top for what they return in terms of immediate jobs, but they said that about bigben, the eiffell tower, the millennium bridge, the gugenhiem, the CN tower, concorde - sometimes projects that seem a waste of money have more value than their immediate costs vs. value. Investing in teachers and nurses can't be down valued - unless you want dumb kids and shit medical care.

Spoken like a true liberal...you're a hypocrite. You say personal attacks are not the way and then you lay a personal attack, at least it was all in the same paragraph.

For the record, I am a free market conservative, Bush's problem is that he was not. And we already have dumb kids and crappy medical care.

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Originally posted by Sammy V Dems took over Congress two years ago and have the lowest ratings ever...I don't care about gallup, most people have no idea what's going on or how to fix it. Furthermore, I'm sure many people are pleased that Congress is holding public hearings for the CEOs of the automakers and banks, even though it's only a dog and pony show. That stimulus bill is a huge payoff to his supporters, and that's all it is. Wait for the Obama luster to wear off...in time, the truth will be known.

This seems to be the typical view from Santa Clarita, which is about 75% Republican Conservative.

The truth is, nobody really knows how this bill will work out in regard to righting the ship. Most of the earmarked monies are going toward projects that will create jobs and thus inject more money into the national economy. Many of those jobs may look to be short-lived on paper, but the influx of capital into the economy will hopefully lead to the creation of more permanent jobs in the future...

Eh, fuck it. I really just wanted to poke a finger at the SCV.

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Originally posted by Brian Scott This seems to be the typical view from Santa Clarita, which is about 75% Republican Conservative. The truth is, nobody really knows how this bill will work out in regard to righting the ship. Most of the earmarked monies are going toward projects that will create jobs and thus inject more money into the national economy. Many of those jobs may look to be short-lived on paper, but the influx of capital into the economy will hopefully lead to the creation of more permanent jobs in the future... Eh, fuck it. I really just wanted to poke a finger at the SCV.

That's probably why it's a nice place to live. But you're right, fuck it, you're a goof.

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Originally posted by Sammy V That's probably why it's a nice place to live. But you're right, fuck it, you're a goof.

I grew up there and it's a great place to raise a family. It's just too bad that the kids who grow into adults and remain there become so cut off from the rest of the world

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen hahaha, well I would like to move to a far away remote island and start a catamaran business. But since nobody has money to travel, that may not be a good investment right now. And the psychedelic scene has died down in tel aviv, and I am not religious, so there is no place for me there

josh move to Japan, psychedelic scene over the top there! i'll be right there with ya

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Wall Street Journal editorial that summarizes many of my (conservative) concerns.

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