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Originally posted by G-Con I'll say it one more time - THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN ORIGINALITY/GENERIC-NESS AND WHETHER A SOUND USED WAS MADE FROM SCRATCH OR NOT

sorrry but i dont agree with you on this every genre has set ways/formats that people can reconise and relate in edm.

trance is trance because people who make it in most cases stick to the same shit over and over.


why? because they dont want to take the chance on anything really new.

if you make something different and its worth listening to then why stick to the same recycle shit over and over?


and i'm sorry but to build a track completly from sample packs and presets is not going to set you apart from the pack end off.

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Originally posted by evo8 Do you really think edm is stale because people arent making their own kicks and hi-hats? Dont you think its more to do with a lack of creativity, new ideas etc???

well no i'm not making a ponit on how a hi hat/kick swiped is leading us to a sorry state off affairs in edm.

im saying people are just to happy with banging shit together from sounds they never made.

and to be fair any muppet can do that

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Originally posted by owien so if you made a riff made up of a preset from sylenth you meen to tell me this is not going to sound any different compaared to one that's made not using a preset. or one swiped from vengence? please be real for one seconed if everybody is using the same sample packs,presets then how on gods earth is this not genric? is it any wonder why edm is so stale

Because it's not the sounds used but the combination/arrangement/engineering of them that makes tracks stand out.

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Originally posted by owien sorrry but i dont agree with you on this every genre has set ways/formats that people can reconise and relate in edm. trance is trance because people who make it in most cases stick to the same shit over and over. why? because they dont want to take the chance on anything really new. if you make something different and its worth listening to then why stick to the same recycle shit over and over? and i'm sorry but to build a track completly from sample packs and presets is not going to set you apart from the pack end off.

You wreak of ignorance with this statement. How can you even say this after you admitted you haven't even got a comparable product done by your methodology yet?

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Originally posted by owien im saying people are just to happy with banging shit together from sounds they never made. and to be fair any muppet can do that

Example?

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

Owien, the amount of tracks made throughout history that are made totally from scratch is about 0.00001% close to non existent.

A musician is presented to an instrument (drums, guitar, piano, violin synthesizer or COMPUTER?) and they do what they can with the sounds.

One instrument, a GUITAR.. is pretty close to ONE preset sound, u recognise it everytime you hear it, and imagine all different tracks made with it?

I agree though to an extent that using the same samples and presets can lead to a "generic" sound, but that has everything to do with the person behind the track.

The most popular music is the kind of music people often want to make.

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Originally posted by owien well no i'm not making a ponit on how a hi hat/kick swiped is leading us to a sorry state off affairs in edm. im saying people are just to happy with banging shit together from sounds they never made. and to be fair any muppet can do that

Sounds to me like you have a rather grandiose vision of what it is that these "top producers" actually do.

I wonder how many of your favorite producers are "muppets", by your definition.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 You wreak of ignorance with this statement. How can you even say this after you admitted you haven't even got a comparable product done by your methodology yet?

so were you not the person who made a thread about tiesto and his sell out methods in the seane?

and why do you think that is?
it's because he uses the same shit over and over the same genric sounds as everybody else witch make you no better then him.

no matter how well you arrange things with the same tired shit will only lead to people like you saying how pros cop out meh.


so yes i may be coming across rude now because i'm trying to point out making your own shit from top to bottom will lead to new ideas and fresh sounds and give people something to stop and think about.

bt,m.i.k.e,lolo,jhon oo fleming,airbase are keeping it all alive with thier work...fact

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Originally posted by Subtle Owien, the amount of tracks made throughout history that are made totally from scratch is about 0.00001% close to non existent. A musician is presented to an instrument (drums, guitar, piano, violin synthesizer or COMPUTER?) and they do what they can with the sounds. One instrument, a GUITAR.. is pretty close to ONE preset sound, u recognise it everytime you hear it, and imagine all different tracks made with it? I agree though to an extent that using the same samples and presets can lead to a "generic" sound, but that has everything to do with the person behind the track. The most popular music is the kind of music people often want to make.

i know keeping up to speed is fun but what is their to stop me from riping,swiping all key sounds premade and making a good track out of them? then saying hey check out my new tune get a label to sell it for me have some dj's play it out in clubs only to find a week or two later no one giving a rats ass. i wont be proud of my work because i stole them and so my point is made i hope.


infact fuck it over the next coming weeks when i get home from staying at my folks house i will do just that put a track together with just samples swiped ect and post it up. and prove no matter how well composed it may be or how big a hook is used will have no shelf life longer then a few weeks. like most shit out thier today

Owien - Can I send you 1000 samples and can you tell me the names of the tracks you have heard them in?

Thanks

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Originally posted by owien so were you not the person who made a thread about tiesto and his sell out methods in the seane? and why do you think that is? it's because he uses the same shit over and over the same genric sounds as everybody else witch make you no better then him. no matter how well you arrange things with the same tired shit will only lead to people like you saying how pros cop out meh. so yes i may be coming across rude now because i'm trying to point out making your own shit from top to bottom will lead to new ideas and fresh sounds and give people something to stop and think about. bt,m.i.k.e,lolo,jhon oo fleming,airbase are keeping it all alive with thier work...fact

Tiesto is a horrible example. That is not HIS music. You obviously haven't listened to his music he never uses the same shit. It's always the fad of the moment.

What exactly are you referring to as the same retarded shit? It's pretty vague. And how can you make such a broad generalization about something that you haven't personally done or experienced?

It's very elitist of you to make statements like you are.

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Originally posted by david.michael Sounds to me like you have a rather grandiose vision of what it is that these "top producers" actually do. I wonder how many of your favorite producers are "muppets", by your definition.

none because the producers i look up to have built up their own sound banks spaning over years and years.and made thier own sound and presets.